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Universal's legal action against 11th Hour

POSTED BY: CABridges
UPDATED: Monday, November 13, 2006 09:47
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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:53 PM

A few things from another CafePress user some of you might be familiar with (me!)

1) The year is 2006, and legal departments, especially where dealing with internet issues, will use email to communicate things. I have, on more than occasion received a C&D order that way. I simply discontinued the questioned item and did not fight it (can't afford to). I am currently trying to get a response from a company who claims they own the rights to the word "CAUTION"...Corporate Bullying is all it is.

2) Secondly, I can not afford to take any chances in the face of this being legitimate, and as such have discontinued all "SERENITY" items on my site. Sorry, but I'm in worse financial shape than 11th, I am sure of that, especially because most, sometimes all of my profits, get fed back into the Browncoat network as donations in one fashion or another.

3) Also, all my sympathies to my fellow hardworking Browncoat entrepenuers. I fell your pain.

4) Lastly, I intend, if this proves true, to boycott everything Universal...just like I do with FOX now. I say folk do the same...again if this all proves true.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TenthCrewMember:
(can't afford to).



Well, that about sums up this whole thread.
Hell, that about sums up the justice system for every civilized nation on this sad planet.

"As much justice as you can afford."

EDIT: Okay, in retrospect felt kinda bad about using such awful language here, (my grandma would be pissed), so the jest of what I wrote was simply that universal studios are big meanies.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:41 PM

I think we need to give Universal a window in which to sort this out - they may have underestimated our strength of feeling and resolve.

So let's go easy with the insults until we know for sure what the situation is because if they get pure abuse from us, that will make them very unlikely to keen to further the verse.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:53 PM

I'd expect something like this from LucasEmpire, but I really expected better of Universal.

If the lawyers had their way, I could be arrested for walking down the street whistling the Ballad of Serenity.

Everyone who's identified these as bullying tactics is right; isn't there some way we can get some powerhouses in our corner? I know Joss lurks omnipresently, and even if he's as scared of lawyers as we are, this can't have escaped his notice.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:56 PM

11th Hour:
I did check out your changes at your shop and I'm hoping it'll be enough to make Universal drop it,
I love your work...
I have bought that image I posted (the gold firefly) because it was beautifully artistic and subtle,
because it was your original artwork.
good luck

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:56 PM

>Let's add this one up, shall we? Let's guestimate an advertising contract for her company at roughly $40,000 a year, all paper and internet based work, paying her employees (us) for spreading around her posters. Since the movie was obviously promoted before it was released, I'd say Universal owes HER over $60,000 for the work she's done promoting their movie.


And she owes whatever their licensing fee is for selling items related to THEIR Intellectual Property.

Some of our hot properties cost 500,000 to license. . .

Universal owes nothing.

And the more trouble fans cause for Universal, the harder they are going to come down on illegal manufacture of products made using THEIR Property.

I can't say I'm happy about Universal and Fox cracking down on fans, but since I work in this industry, I see the studio side of the coin quite clearly.

"A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned."

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:58 PM

Thinking about the sales details demand - do they expect names, addresses, ACCOUNT DETAILS - if so that sounds more and more like a scam. 11th if you've confirmed that the originators are actually representing Universal can you let us know please.

(cross posted from the other thread)

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:00 PM

Double post - apologies

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:34 PM

Sorry, but I agree that someone who purchased a license probably complained. This is the legal action that Universal has to take. They are in agreements with anyone who purchased a license to defend thier copyrights. I know this is harsh, but it's kill or be killed. There's no way someone can claim they didn't take action when they show them this.

I won't be boycotting anything Universal. They've been great to the fans and to Joss. If anything I'm in full support of them. You can't blame the legal system on Universal.

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Wednesday, October 25, 2006 3:51 PM

Nonsense they could issue C&Ds and NOT demand retroactive fees, stock and sales info

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