Whedon and the civil war?

POSTED BY: dags
UPDATED: Sunday, October 22, 2006 13:58
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DAGS

Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:30 AM

Is it just me or does Whedon base the war in Firefly on the American Civil War with the independents cast as the South? He took the name Jubal Early from the civil war (confederate general). To me the whole conflict in the series feels like the romanticized, Southern version of the civil war with the Alliance playing the part of the evil industrial north, trying to oppress the freedom loving independents.

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:31 AM

tis afact that he was reading a book on the Civil War when the idea of Firefly came to him I do believe.

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PENGUIN

Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:36 AM

The Killer Angels - Michael Shaara

King of the Mythical Land that is Iowa

FUTUREMRSFILLION

Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:37 AM

I knew it had Angels in the title, just couldn't think of it!

Thanks!

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DAGS

Sunday, October 22, 2006 12:42 AM

Ahhh, The Killer Angels. The book Gettysburg (the movie) is based on. Excellent book and movie.

TRAVELER

Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:51 AM

Both the movie and the book were well done. I have seen the battle field and wherever they made the movie they certainly found a region that matches the original landscape. The scene with the Twentieth Maine is well done. I've stood at the spot they fought off the Southern attack and the film duplicates it perfectly.

After the war there was still a lot of anger on both sides. A lot of northerners did not want to give the rebelious states back their rights. You can see how this is played out in Firefly. The fight in the tavern on Unification Day. I'm sure there would be a lot of resentment in the south if we had created a national holiday for the end of the Civil War.

Traveler

CHINDI

Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:12 AM

AND IIRC Nathan is a descendant of the Civil War Jubal Early.. this was Joss' nod to Nathan

Chindi

TRAVELER

Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:22 AM

I remember seeing "Objects in Space" the first time and doing a double take when I heard the bounty hunters full name. But with names Book and River and then using the name Jayne for a man who goes around so mucho it should not have been such a big surprize.

Traveler

NCBROWNCOAT

Sunday, October 22, 2006 3:33 AM

Actually there is one, but it started on the Southern side Memorial Day started out as a day to decorate the graves of the Civil War dead and memorial statues in local cemetaries.

Up until about the late 1950's, the graves and Memorial statue in the local cemetary here were decorated each year.

BTW I saw "Flag of Our Fathers" today. Awesome movie. It shows the awfulness of combat thru the ordinary soldiers eyes and how it really destroyed Ira Hayes, the Pima Native American who helped raise the flag on Mt. Suribachi. Also, "Doc" Bradley, never told his family that he was awarded the Navy Cross for his actions as a medic on Iwa Jima.

At the end, the narrator, the son of "Doc" Bradley, says that of course they were fighting for America but really soldiers fight for the guys in front of them and the guys beside them. How true in any war.

A movie about the battle from the Japanese perspective is supposed to be released in February. Very unusual and I'm looking forward to it.

TRAVELER

Sunday, October 22, 2006 4:07 AM

I was wondering about "Flags of Our Fathers". Tony Curtis made a movie many years ago about Ira Hayes. It showed how tragic his life became. I was wondering if they were going to show that in this movie.

I am not surprized to here about the day of rememberance for those who fought your homeland. What you say about "Flags of Our Fathers" shows the price our soldiers pay to fight for our beliefs. I have studied war and read many accounts of the ordeals soldiers have had face and there is no way to repay such a sacrifice. We just do the best we can by remembering what they did for us. I guess it why I read so much about it.

Traveler

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