PirateNews and Child Porn
POSTED BY: Hero
UPDATED: Thursday, December 7, 2006 16:42
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Alright PirateNews, I watched the video and maybe your not bat-shit crazy...
I would have to agree that there is something real fishy about this whole thing. The problem is the Boner kid is just not credible. He has recanted, then recanted his recant, then recanted that recant, and then recanted that recant, etc, etc, etc... It's a good thing the producers of this video found some people with credentials to speak out, otherwise the story is just not plausible.
It's too late to follow your other links tonight, but I will check out the Washington Times articles (even if it is owned by the Moonies) on that prostitution ring in DC. It is interesting (if true) that only the leaders of the ring and not the johns were investigated and that the johns' names were then sealed. If they were diddling underage boys, why would their crimes be ignored? Perhaps, somebody was being protected.
Maybe there is nothing to it, but maybe there is something. I'm no longer willing to dismiss it out of hand, however, so your making progress. Well, I'm off to make a tinfoil hat...
Everyone involved in the case knows that Troy Boner alone isn't a crediable witness, which btw he is dead now under mysterious circumstances, you have to look at everything thats happened to him to understand why he recanted his orginal testimony and he isn't the only one whoes recanted, being threatened with your life and harassed by the very people like the FBI who should be protecting him, would make a person recant, espeically someone whoes already been a victim of the system.
your the second person whoes used the word diddled!!, I take offense to that!!! being sexually molested, raped, or prostituted out is not being diddled with!!
diddled!! sounds almost benevolent,what happened to these kids isn't benevolent
Fishy NO it isn't fishy its FOUL!!!and another thing, you'll notice that Paul Bonacci, whom you saw also on the conspiracy of silence film, the same kid who was at the white house parties, the same kid who was raped and abused by politians wealthy businesmen etc, the same kid who worked for Republican Larry King, the same kid who was used by Micheal Aquino -testified that he was involved in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch, was actually there and particpated in this, he was also featured on America's most wanted in the Johnny Gosch case, so Yeah I'm pretty sure that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch.
but I bet you probably think its just a coincidence!! right!! or just a little fishy!!
its pretty hard to ignore the evidence unless you just simply want to.
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Originally posted by piratejenny:
Everyone involved in the case knows that Troy Boner alone isn't a crediable witness, which btw he is dead now under mysterious circumstances, you have to look at everything thats happened to him to understand why he recanted his orginal testimony and he isn't the only one whoes recanted, being threatened with your life and harassed by the very people like the FBI who should be protecting him, would make a person recant, espeically someone whoes already been a victim of the system.
your the second person whoes used the word diddled!!, I take offense to that!!! being sexually molested, raped, or prostituted out is not being diddled with!!
diddled!! sounds almost benevolent,what happened to these kids isn't benevolent
Fishy NO it isn't fishy its FOUL!!!and another thing, you'll notice that Paul Bonacci, whom you saw also on the conspiracy of silence film, the same kid who was at the white house parties, the same kid who was raped and abused by politians wealthy businesmen etc, the same kid who worked for Republican Larry King, the same kid who was used by Micheal Aquino -testified that he was involved in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch, was actually there and particpated in this, he was also featured on America's most wanted in the Johnny Gosch case, so Yeah I'm pretty sure that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch.
but I bet you probably think its just a coincidence!! right!! or just a little fishy!!
its pretty hard to ignore the evidence unless you just simply want to.
PirateJenny, I'm guessing you have never worked in sales.
There's an old saying, something about flies and honey... When trying to convince someone of anything, often the best method does not involve insulting them.
Frem was right, you guys need to work on your presentation. Don't feel bad, though. It can sometimes take a good salesman years to find their swing.
Anywho, thanks for the bump. I had forgotten about this and wanted to check out those Washington Times articles.
Keep swinging for those fences...
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Well, I'm also still here if you have any questions, as well.
They mean well, especially Jenny - but yes, tend to present the issue badly.
Even in a more rational manner, presenting all the evidence right up front just causes information overload and kicks in the automatic denial reflex, resulting in the info getting categorized as garbage and dismissed without a second glance.
With an issue as 'out-there' as this, I've found that the best way to present it to folk is to simply show them where to look and allow them to draw their own conclusions - the evidence is there, and some of this crap is just so outright, downright, woo-woo-weird (yet, with courtroom-quality evidence!) that it's just plain difficult to wrap your mind around it sometimes, and everyone does that in their own way, either by complete denial, or flat ignoring it, as with must people... or feelings of complete powerlessness to affect the situation.
This particular issue is indeed psychologically and profoundly disturbing to most people, also, and thus for some of the more emotionally fragile I just flat tell them the truth - "No, you *don't* want to know." and leave it at that.
So I'll give folks enough info to go lookin if they care, and only that, to do otherwise would compromise the validity of the information as presented by someone else, versus what you looked up and checked yourself.
One final note - what rooks me bad about the whole mess is why this matter is treated as a past tense, closed issue.
They shot down ONE, count em, ONE, feeder system, that is all, and with a bare minimum of success in doing only that - this particular problem has grown and continues.
Case in point ?
Jack Abramoff is the creep took over Franklins action when he went down, and the media is oh-so-carefully avoiding the fact that some of those 'prostitutes' he was providing were not old enough to possess a drivers license.
The game never changes, only the players do.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
Even in a more rational manner, presenting all the evidence right up front just causes information overload and kicks in the automatic denial reflex, resulting in the info getting categorized as garbage and dismissed without a second glance.
That is where I was when I first read the posts about this. It's all just so far out and I had never heard any of it before. As I have claimed before, I think I am a reasonably well informed person and truely believed that a scandal such as this would have made (and would have continued to make) national headlines. The documentary, though it's a rough cut, convinced me that there might be more than baseless allegations to this.
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One final note - what rooks me bad about the whole mess is why this matter is treated as a past tense, closed issue.
They shot down ONE, count em, ONE, feeder system, that is all, and with a bare minimum of success in doing only that - this particular problem has grown and continues.
So, there is evidence that this is continuing? Please share.
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Case in point ?
Jack Abramoff is the creep took over Franklins action when he went down, and the media is oh-so-carefully avoiding the fact that some of those 'prostitutes' he was providing were not old enough to possess a drivers license.
Did Abramoff take over the credit union or are you alleging that he took over the "call boys" prostitution ring?
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Okay, I have read some of the Washington Times' articles and it looks like the story has legs. Who woulda' thought Elizabeth Dole would be connected...
For example, the Secret Service injecting itself into the investigation and seizing information related to client's identities is very suspicious. Does the Secret Service normally work vice?
And who the Hell (besides Jerry Springer) pays for a prostitute with a credit card. Nice to know that the people who run the country are that f
g dumb. Note to all you potential johns out there: use cash. It's somewhat harder to trace.
What I do fail to see it the connection between the "call boys" and the Franklin mess, other than some of the pitchers being the same people and the catchers being underage. The story doesn't allege forced prostitution, right?
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:Quote:
Originally posted by piratejenny:
Everyone involved in the case knows that Troy Boner alone isn't a crediable witness, which btw he is dead now under mysterious circumstances, you have to look at everything thats happened to him to understand why he recanted his orginal testimony and he isn't the only one whoes recanted, being threatened with your life and harassed by the very people like the FBI who should be protecting him, would make a person recant, espeically someone whoes already been a victim of the system.
your the second person whoes used the word diddled!!, I take offense to that!!! being sexually molested, raped, or prostituted out is not being diddled with!!
diddled!! sounds almost benevolent,what happened to these kids isn't benevolent
Fishy NO it isn't fishy its FOUL!!!and another thing, you'll notice that Paul Bonacci, whom you saw also on the conspiracy of silence film, the same kid who was at the white house parties, the same kid who was raped and abused by politians wealthy businesmen etc, the same kid who worked for Republican Larry King, the same kid who was used by Micheal Aquino -testified that he was involved in the kidnapping of Johnny Gosch, was actually there and particpated in this, he was also featured on America's most wanted in the Johnny Gosch case, so Yeah I'm pretty sure that Jeff Gannon is Johnny Gosch.
but I bet you probably think its just a coincidence!! right!! or just a little fishy!!
its pretty hard to ignore the evidence unless you just simply want to.
PirateJenny, I'm guessing you have never worked in sales.
There's an old saying, something about flies and honey... When trying to convince someone of anything, often the best method does not involve insulting them.
Frem was right, you guys need to work on your presentation. Don't feel bad, though. It can sometimes take a good salesman years to find their swing.
Anywho, thanks for the bump. I had forgotten about this and wanted to check out those Washington Times articles.
Keep swinging for those fences...
you thought I was trying to convince you, Nope, I'm not trying to convince you of anything, and as far as I know I wasn't insulting you either, I'm pissed, NO I am beyond pissed I'm Fracking mad as hell and I think everyone else should be too, if they aren't then something is wrong with them not me!! so you'll have to forgive me or not if I come off somewhat abrasive, I don't have the patience or energy to try and appease or convince someone about whats going on, and I will not mince my words or play it down, just because some people choose to ignore the info. I can't detach emotionally and I won't try, Nor do I want to. It's not who I am and anyone who knows my post on this forum knows that about me. And I happen to like that about my post.
I understand why people don't want to take this seriously, and I completely understand why they don't want to know, but its percisely for those very reasons why this stuff continues to happen.
I could never be a salesman, certainly not a good one. I'm to honest which can be more of a liablity then an asset!!
I was looking into a totally diffrent topic when I happened onto this info, and the more info and research I did the more I found and the more I contiuned to find it more and more keeps surfacing, I said it before and I'll say it again the truth has strange ways of getting out.
but its good that at least you are looking into it!! Good Luck with your research and happy hunting
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The documentary, though it's a rough cut, convinced me that there might be more than baseless allegations to this.
There is, and both sides have not told the entire truth, I think - also consider that part of the weirdness factor is that freaks deliberately add these elements so that any testimony by the victims sounds outlandish and is more likely to be dismissed, for example freaks who use satanic trappings, for no other purpose other than to distort the reality of what occurred and have the testimony dismissed as BS, not because they are in fact satanists.
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So, there is evidence that this is continuing? Please share.
The practice continues, and they have to be getting these kids from somewhere, some catholic charities have been implicated, and several witnesses have brought forth the fact that a lot of kids fed into this mess came via being 'dissappeared' into the social services system - for myself I would like to see an accounting of kids who go into the system versus those they can locate at the moment, that would be insightful.
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Did Abramoff take over the credit union or are you alleging that he took over the "call boys" prostitution ring?
Jack took over the prostitution/blackmail end, and the old ring had served its purpose and attracted too much attention, so likely he just started a new one with one of the other feeder systems, it's not like the kids are hard to replace or eliminate, when it comes right down to it.
Not sure whether that was by design or due to a vacuum of power, but that is how it ended up, and I am watching to see who fills *his* place when he goes down.
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For example, the Secret Service injecting itself into the investigation and seizing information related to client's identities is very suspicious. Does the Secret Service normally work vice?
Nope, just presidential security, conterfeiting and certain computer crime.
They've seized and disappeared a lot of the evidence, but proving that is very difficult, for example - WHO seized Troy Boners' autopsy records ?
Just some guys with credentials, sure, but there's no record to work with, because no one asked any questions once the badges came out.
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What I do fail to see it the connection between the "call boys" and the Franklin mess, other than some of the pitchers being the same people and the catchers being underage. The story doesn't allege forced prostitution, right?
Actually it does, you have to read the statements and official testimony, if you can get your hands on it still, it's been a while since I skimmed over it, but i am sure it's public record and therefore obtainable.
This is one of those things where you have to do your own homework in order to have any real grasp of the situation, and make certain logical connections, like, where does the money come from-go to, and why, and how does it get there ?
It's an ugly business all around, in a culture of almost total corruption of humanity, in part due to the nearly limitless power of congressional offices and government posts.
As for what to do about it, these folks are your best bet, an actual Political Action Committee with but one goal, and it took a decade and more to get it off the ground, but here we are.
http://www.protect.org
-Frem
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Hero,
So, I couldn't sleep last night and I started watching an old DeNiro movie on cable. The movie was "The Mission" and it was actually really good. It won Cannes back in '86 or '87 and was nominated for Best Picture here in the states.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0091530/
Anywho, in this flick there are little, naked, native children running around constantly. I am talking about all ages (toddlers to teens) and full frontal. Genitals were clearly visible on both sexes on numerous occasions.
Now, in part 5 of your definition of child porn you state that "lascivious exhibition of the genitals or pubic area of any person" is illegal.
Lascivious is tricky, but is defined as:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=lascivious
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2. arousing sexual desire
While watching wild little indians running around nude doesn't turn my crank, it would certainly do so for a pedophile, right?
If it's all black and white and context is of no significance, why are the executives at Starz not doing hard time for showing this film? Why am I not doing hard time for watching it? Why were the producers or the director or even the stars of this movie not prosecuted?
It would seem to a layman (or at least this layman) that the application of this law is in no way objective and depends entirely on the personal tastes of those in positions of power (you).
Anywho, can you please explain (and perhaps justify) the discrepancies in the application of these laws? Thanks.
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The practice continues, and they have to be getting these kids from somewhere, some catholic charities have been implicated, and several witnesses have brought forth the fact that a lot of kids fed into this mess came via being 'dissappeared' into the social services system - for myself I would like to see an accounting of kids who go into the system versus those they can locate at the moment, that would be insightful
The catholic church,plays a big part in the pedohile ring.This thing is huge its mind numbingly and mind boggling just how huge it is.
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