Was Book at Serenity Valey

POSTED BY: palehorse
UPDATED: Friday, February 13, 2004 00:27
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ZEKE023

Thursday, February 5, 2004 4:09 PM

I hate to be the devil's advocate - but if history is going to be any guideline - it's most likely that Joss has no reason for Book to be "sketchy".

He just is - and later, when it fits into a plot for there to be a reason, he'll write it in.

Think of Jenny Calendar - he're dark past was something that was added in later. This is true of almost all of Joss's characters.

so it could be anything.

Hell - since the movie is going to be about reavers, maybe he had some connection to reavers. :)

BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, February 5, 2004 5:19 PM

I do agree w/ PH that the 'verse is under martial law and soldiers seem to be used to police the worlds on the Rim. Could be that with the War of Unification just seven years behind them, the Alliance still feels the need to keep a tight rein on the poplulation, and feels a strong military presence will deter any ideas of independence.

I agree Zeke023 that Joss is notorious for leaving past shadowy w/ his characters for potential plotlines down the road. It could very well be that Book has no real "past" yet, but is merely awaiting a point in the story for Joss to flesh out his character.

"May have been the losing side. Still not convinced it was the wrong one."

SHINY

Thursday, February 5, 2004 5:55 PM

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Originally posted by palehorse:
Wouldn't it suck to be a Browncoat in China with no access to any discussion groups.

Though...You wouldn't have to look up the meaning of every curse that spills out of Mal's mouth.

Actually, considering how...creatively...the actors pronounce some of the Chinese, I imagine that Chinese-speaking browncoats would have to look a lot of it up as well!

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

PALEHORSE

Thursday, February 5, 2004 10:43 PM

You know, I just checked out the deleted scenes and the scenes for "Serenity" realy got my juices flowing.

In the original opening Zoe keeps asking Mal what colors(flag) the med ships are flying with the response "Does it matter?".
Once she proposes that there may be a god after all Mal's response is to the efect of "God? Wonder what color he flies."
Could be a back-handed clue or illustration with Book as a sheapherd, or at least posing as one.

Next we have the first of the two scene clip wherein Book asks Simon whether he caught the name of the ship he has boarded.
When Simon assumes the mundane definition of Serenety to be the case Book directs him to brush up on his history if he wants to bond with the crew.
Book, I take it, knew the meaning if not on sight then certainly by the time he set foot on the ship.

The second of the two scene clip, while cool with the name of the general, was most striking in Zoe's recounting of the true horror of the wounded being left for dead for a whole week.
I also dug the line regading making Serenity your home. Talk about classic double entandre(sp?).

I know that I seem to be obsessing on this one subject, and appologize if my somtimes dry and rapidfire way of stating things has generated any ill will out there.

So, until Niska pats a puppy on the head without thinking of ways to hurt it....

PALEHORSE

Thursday, February 5, 2004 10:45 PM

What did you say, Shiny?

"nucular"?

RKLENSETH

Friday, February 6, 2004 7:03 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by palehorse:
You know, I just checked out the deleted scenes and the scenes for "Serenity" realy got my juices flowing.

In the original opening Zoe keeps asking Mal what colors(flag) the med ships are flying with the response "Does it matter?".
Once she proposes that there may be a god after all Mal's response is to the efect of "God? Wonder what color he flies."
Could be a back-handed clue or illustration with Book as a sheapherd, or at least posing as one.

Next we have the first of the two scene clip wherein Book asks Simon whether he caught the name of the ship he has boarded.
When Simon assumes the mundane definition of Serenety to be the case Book directs him to brush up on his history if he wants to bond with the crew.
Book, I take it, knew the meaning if not on sight then certainly by the time he set foot on the ship.

The second of the two scene clip, while cool with the name of the general, was most striking in Zoe's recounting of the true horror of the wounded being left for dead for a whole week.
I also dug the line regading making Serenity your home. Talk about classic double entandre(sp?).

I know that I seem to be obsessing on this one subject, and appologize if my somtimes dry and rapidfire way of stating things has generated any ill will out there.

So, until Niska pats a puppy on the head without thinking of ways to hurt it....

I think both you and I are thinking along the same lines.

Oh, and play Cantr II at www.cantr.net.

PALEHORSE

Thursday, February 12, 2004 10:56 PM

Here it is, it had been archived.

STATIC

Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:22 PM

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Originally posted by palehorse:
Here it is, it had been archived.

Palehorse, I want to mention one thing in regards to your suggestion that there is no distinction between police forces and Alliance military forces.

In "The Train Job", the Sherriff and his deputies are wearing badges. Very distinct badges on their shirts/jackets/vests that are matched by a patch on their sleeve. Yes, yes, I know. . ."Mayberry R.F.D.". . .but stick with me.

The sherriff in "TTJ" says distinctly, "We don't have much use for alliance out here." Certainly not something and Alliance military officer would be LIKELY to say.

In "The Message". . .when the three Federal officers go barging into the post office, the lead agent, the one in the spiffy trenchcoat, flashes a badge. The badge is identical to the one worn by the sherriff. However, on Alliance military vessels, I don't see the same badge being worn by their personell.

I believe the Alliance maintains a Law Enforcement agency as well as a military force.

This is a common method used by governments to thinly disguise 'martial law'.

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PALEHORSE

Friday, February 13, 2004 12:27 AM

Yes, I recognize this as a wrinkle.

Remember that the whole episode was bailing wire and some glue, as Joss and Tim had to create it on the fly. I'm hesitant to take too much of that particular episode as dogma.

I have only to say that the "Sherriff" in TTJ was only granted his authority by the Alliance as a sham. Don't get me wrong, I feel that he had the leadership qualities necessary to be a keeper of the peace. But remember that there were alliance troops on the ground(er...on the train)who cared not a whit about a humanitarian crime such as the theft of medicine.

The National Socialist Party of Germany circa 1936, or if you would rather the Nazis, had at their disposal two state run police forces known as the Gestapo and the SS. Both were strongly tied into the Warmacht, or military command.

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