Did Jayne help Dobson escape?

POSTED BY: IndigoStarblaster
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INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Monday, October 16, 2006 5:32 PM

Hey Browncoats,

My husband and I were watching the pilot again the other night, and I still can't decide whether Jayne was lying to Mal when he said, "I had nothing to do with that." What do all y'all think?

BTW, I borrowed the Firefly and the Serenity Official Visual Companions from a friend on the weekend and I can't stop looking at 'em... our BDH's are so gorramn shiny on that glossy paper!

Indigo S.

TRAVELER

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:08 AM

I feel Jayne was honest. He sees a good thing with Mal. He only sold out Simon and River because he saw them as outsiders. Mal pointed out his error on that one. A wrench to the head can sure educate you on the proper way to behave.
If Jayne had sold Mal out I think he would have left him stranded on Whitefall and helped Dobson take the Tams. Instead he did what Mal told him to do, because he knew Mal gets the job done, even if plan changes at times. Clint Eastwood would say "Improvise".

Traveler

ROCKYSOAP

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:59 AM

I can see the dilemma there. I want to believe that Jayne didn't, because I adore Jayne. I just can't figure out how else Dobson would have gotten that razer. The whole "pointing a sniper rifle at Mal's head" thing also creates some doubts. :(

MUDDERSMILK

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:34 AM

I totally agree with Rockysoap. Jayne played all the angles. If Dobson succeeded, he was in, having helped Dobson escape. If he failed, then deniability. This matter is set up so that Jayne the betrayer evolves into jayne the trustworthy latter in Season 2 or 3, etc. We already saw the progression in the series (although with regression in the BDM). So... yes, Jayne slipped Lawrence the razor. And mal knows it, too. He just can't be totally sure, so he lets jayne slide. He's watching Jayne from then on, though.

ATIGDNG

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 3:48 AM

Yeah, I agree with muddersmilk on that. He is a selfish BDH lets face it, and he was going to shoot Mal I think if he didn't give the money back to patience, maybe?

SHINYLETSBEBADGUYS

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 5:38 AM

Haha the sniper moment was one of my favorite ones in that episode. I think that it was just Jayne being Jayne

I dont think he was going to shoot him at all just entertaining the idea in his head. One of those 'all i gotta do is pull the trigger' moments. Sort of like how they say when people are on top of something REALLY high they wonder what it would be like to jump off.

Like other people posted, at this point in the series Jayne is driven by what is the most profitable. But Jayne knows that even though taking over Serenity would be shiny, it just aint worth it.

"None of it means a damn thing"

REDLAVA

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 6:41 AM

I am probably over thinking this but here goes.

Here are the two ways I think it could have went down. Most of looks that Jayne gives (ie. when Dobson makes his offer, the sniper rifle, ect.) were for dramatic effect. To keep you guessing on what was going to happen. So I will throw those out.

Scenario 1: Jayne gives Dobson the razor and pretends to take the deal. Jayne knows that Dobson will get free and go after Simon and River. He also knows Dobson has no place to go so he will have to stay onboard the ship until his reinforcements arrive. Jayne knows how Mal thinks and how he will react if he sees Dobson has gotten loose. By shooting him. Jayne pretty much wants Dobson dead from the start so he and the rest of the crew will be free and clear. Jayne lies to the captain obviously so he won't get into trouble for putting everybodys life in danger. Fast forward to Ariel as an example of the possible outcome with Mal finding out.

Scenario 2: Jayne doesn't take the deal and Dobson is more resourceful than we think he is by either already having the razor on his person or finding it in the berth where he was being held. Jayne is completely truthful to Mal.

Personally I don't believe that Jayne is that methodical when it comes to planning. Too many variables hinge on the outcome he is looking for. So while the first scenario makes some sense, I don't think it is the right one. The second scenario is where I put my money because I think that Jayne trusts Mall more than he lets on or else he would have killed him and taken over way before. Remember the conversation that Mal and Jayne have at the end. Mal askes Jayne why he didn't turn on him. Jayne replies that the money wasn't good enough. Dobson had to have offered him a great deal of money and Jayne as we all know is increadibly greedy.

Thus concludes the longest post I think I have ever written.

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AYRAD

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 7:08 AM

I don't think Jayne helped Dobson. The hun dan shot Kaylee and Jayne wanted to end him painfully. Had Sheperd Book not being in his way, Dobson would be 6 feet under right now. And about the money offer I someway have this feeling that Jayne knew that Dobson was lying about making him rich enough to be captain of his own ship...you know one of these things you say when you're about to be sliced up (even if by the sexiest man alive ;-) )Jayne looked at Dobson like he was a sort of pathetic idiot...

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CALHOUN

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 8:11 AM

Look at Jaynes reaction when Mal calls him over to help throw Dobsons body out the ship. There was no hint of guilt or fear, it was pure pleasure. If Jayne had helped Dobson escape he would have had a "tell" when confronted with Dobsons body.

FREEBAGEL

Wednesday, October 18, 2006 2:52 PM

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Originally posted by Redlava:
I am probably over thinking this but here goes.

Here are the two ways I think it could have went down. Most of looks that Jayne gives (ie. when Dobson makes his offer, the sniper rifle, ect.) were for dramatic effect. To keep you guessing on what was going to happen. So I will throw those out.

I think you've nailed it here. All of the things that looked like Jayne might possibly be set to side with Dobson were just for dramatic effect. I never thought twice about whether or not Jayne had a hand in Dobson's escape, he was telling the truth in this matter.

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