What are your *least* favorite Firefly moments?
POSTED BY: Okkay
UPDATED: Saturday, February 14, 2004 16:39
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Originally posted by SpikeSpiegel:
Anyone notice how the worst moments/eps of this show are better than the best on most others?
That was exctly my reaction after seeing this ep for the first time. I told my friends, "For a Firefly episode, it was a 3. For a television episode, it was a 10."
-Steve
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The only scene that really bugged me was at the end of the message. Im not even going to coment on tracyes death and all that because it has been done to death (forgive the pun).
Tracy is laying there dieing and the three "feds" come on the ship. The crew has guns on them and the Book and Mal explain why they arn't feds, and why they should leave before they get shot. And so the leave. It seems to me like the leader fed is a pretty smart guy, who would know that he was outnumberd by traceys war buddies . Seems to me like he would have demanded that they bring tracys body out to him (cuz we can assume he still thinks tracy is dead), and not have the rug pulled from under his feet.
The other thing i just thought of is that how can they mangae to slip a BODY through the mail, but not s few little internal oragans. Why do they need a carrier?
"Go back inside or i will blow another crater in this tiny moon"
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Originally posted by ebonezer:
The other thing i just thought of is that how can they mangae to slip a BODY through the mail, but not s few little internal oragans. Why do they need a carrier?
This question is asked and answered in the show as I recall. Simon says they don't have the technology to store them yet, so they use living bodies to stablize the engineered organs. Tracey isn't just storing them, he's an "incubator." Or something.
HKCavalier
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Originally posted by ebonezer:
The other thing i just thought of is that how can they mangae to slip a BODY through the mail, but not s few little internal oragans. Why do they need a carrier?
This question is asked and answered in the show as I recall. Simon says they don't have the technology to store them yet, so they use living bodies to stablize the engineered organs. Tracey isn't just storing them, he's an "incubator." Or something.
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so how do tracys organs get ahead of him to get back inside him? Tracy needs to learn to think these things through...
"Go back inside or i will blow another crater in this tiny moon"
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I am definitely not disagreeing with people that the Firefly gang didn't handle Tracey as well as they might have, but I do think that we are letting Tracey off a little easy.
1) Tracey is a thief. (True, not unlike the crew of Serenity).
2) Tracey is a murderer (True, possibly in self-defense and our crew has killed their fair share). But he was willing to shoot Wash which wasn't exactly a self-defense situation.
3) Tracey didn't ask for help, he dumped his problems on Mal and Zoe (and by default the whole crew of Serenity).
4) He was willing to turn on the Captain and Zoe, hold Kaylee hostage and risk the lives of the everyone on Serenity for his own safety.
Mal wasn't overly thrilled with Simon dumping his problems (inadvertantly) onto his crew in the pilot and Tracey did it consciously.
While Tracey is a tragic figure, he is not really a 'good guy'.
Arawaen
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Originally posted by ebonezer:
so how do tracys organs get ahead of him to get back inside him? Tracy needs to learn to think these things through...
I think in the original script, there was more explanation, along the lines of:
MAL(?): Why did you believe they would put your innards back when you got there?
TRACY: It's not easy to find people willing to do this job; they wanted to be able to use me on multiple runs -- this was already my third.
RIVER
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MAL
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The only episode I have trouble with (actually just parts of it) is 'Safe'. I found the actors playing the nurse and the 'mayor' in the town of hill zealots to be a little wooden in their acting. Nothing takes me out of the moment like bad acting. You have to use exceptional actors to pull of zealotry because they have to forget how to be smart while playing such ignorant characters. Some actors have trouble with this subtle nuance.
YES! I have trouble even watching those bits, because these actors (particularly the actress who cries 'witch!') just annoy the heck out of me. I think she's stiff, uninteresting, and unbelieveable. I don't buy her as the caring nurse, and I /surely/ don't buy her transformation in that one moment from 'it's a miracle' to 'let's quote scripture and kill her!'
I cannot stand it. That actress rubs me a million wrong ways in that role.
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Mutter. Double post.
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Originally posted by ebonezer:
so how do tracys organs get ahead of him to get back inside him? Tracy needs to learn to think these things through...
I think in the original script, there was more explanation, along the lines of:
MAL(?): Why did you believe they would put your innards back when you got there?
TRACY: It's not easy to find people willing to do this job; they wanted to be able to use me on multiple runs -- this was already my third.
Still don't get it...how come they have the technology to transport real organs but not "fake" ones. If the fake ones are good enough to work (albeit more rapidly and strangly then normals ones), why can't they be transported? And if it's a question of legality (i've alrady mentioned this, sorry just trying to tie it all together)Tracy managed to ship HIMSELF, a large body, through the mail with out anybody noticing (not the "real" alaince anyway), so why couldn't they ship a few organs? On that note, if they can't go through the mail, why couldn't they get a "private shipping company" (ie, someone like mal and crew) to smuggle them frome point A to point B.
"Go back inside or i will blow another crater in this tiny moon"
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An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it. If no buyer could be found, the Lasiter wasn't worth any more than the metal is was made of. I was just saying I would have jumped off the high risk-high payoff plan in favor of the low risk-low payoff plan, since Saffron was involved and things were likely to blow up in their faces at any moment anyhow. And I think he would have given Mal the money, as someone too beneath him to bother paying much attention to. Mal would just need to beat feet is all.
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I think you're underestimating the difference in values of the two payoffs. The Lassiter was a priceless artifact, worth millions, while the reward would have been maybe a couple thousand dollars? I'm guessing at those values since I don't know how money works there, but the difference was probably something like a-thousand-fold. Plus his whole crew helped out on the heist, and they wouldn't have been happy doing all that for just pocket change. Besides, I don't think Haymer was planning on giving him the money, he called the police right when he saw them.
Mary
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