Evolution for Dummies...*Edit*.....is for Dummies
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Saturday, March 10, 2007 06:19
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Well the inorganic into organic thing isn't that difficult to understand because things like viruses are on the blurring line all the time.
Evolution could have happened even if the big bang didn't and vice-versa, they are separable.
Also what would you consider non-junk science if you don't trust biochemistry and things like results from the COBE satellite?
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Everything from the big bang(getting everything from nothing)
You mean the theory that has loads of experimental evidence to back it up?
Also, the big bang is NOT something from nothing. You should try to learn about something before you go spouting off about how it isn't true. As in the first
sentence here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang
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In physical cosmology, the Big Bang is the scientific theory of how the universe emerged from a tremendously dense and hot state about 13.7 billion years ago.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
Not true. That is the rub, it doesn't "add up", so we just make up... stuff like dark matter. You know stuff that can't be seen, measured, or proven to exist. You know real scientific kinda stuff.
Yay sure, we can't measure it.
You see, what we can do is look for objects that have an attraction to an unseen object. So, we can measure it even though it isn't seen. Since we have measured such objects we know that something like what we think is out there is actually out there.
And again, go look up many worlds. It's a very well worked out (mathematically) theory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation
It's people like you that have no clue how science actually works, nor what the claims actually say, nor what is actually claimed that are the problem. Please, stop spreading around your provably false fud.
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Quote:You're absolutly right, no matter how you speak to Cartoon it is never out of order.
Originally posted by kaneman:
Out of order? Not for him.
Quote:Actually no one 'made up' dark matter. Certain observations were found to only be possible if the was greater mass than could be detected.
Originally posted by kaneman:
Not true. That is the rub, it doesn't "add up", so we just make up... stuff like dark matter. You know stuff that can't be seen, measured, or proven to exist. You know real scientific kinda stuff.
Fritz Zwicky estimated the total mass of galaxies in the Coma cluster using observational data to be 400 times that of the visible galaxies in 1933.
We've since seen the effects of Dark Matter through various means, you can tell of the existance of a large body by it's gravity, and as I'm sure you know gravity bends light. This is called Grvitic Lensing. If we notice the effect of Gravitic Lensing without any apparent visible mass to cause it, then we know we've found dark matter.
It can be measured, observed and proven to exist, thus it is very scientific.
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Why do I get the feeling if we explained quantum theory to Kaneman, his head would explode?
No, wait, he'd just jump up and down and say "It's not true, it's not true, the universe is as limited as my imagination."
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There's an old adage that offspring tend to exhibit the traits of their parents.
Given that, compare the behavior and civility of the posters in this thread between those who believe they were descended from monkeys, to those who believe they were created by an intelligent Designer.
The irony of that observation hasn't been lost on me. 
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In other words your intelligent designer is an idiot and a lier prepared to murder anyone who doesn't think and say exactly what Cartoon wants too hear?
Well I must say that's one nasty god you worship.
Oh and insulting someone with a smile on your face and in such away as to say "what me, insult, oh no I wouldn't do something like that" is cowardly, not better. In fact it's worse, because it shows you aren't insulting someone out of an emotional reaction, but in order to cause offence and anger, as a rhetorical technique one might say.
In other words the behaviour of one certain individual who believes they're descended from an intelligent designer (BTW you think God is your Father, how arrogant and delusional are you?) is worse and more cowardly than those who know they're species descended from Apes.
Like a bitchy twelve year old girl whispering to another "you're mums a slag" then batting her eyelids at teacher and saying "no I don't know why she got so upset, maybe she's insane". But hey you wish to act like a bitchy twelve year old girl, who am I to argue.
But I suppose what else would we expect from a Troll
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Originally posted by cartoon:
There's an old adage that offspring tend to exhibit the traits of their parents.
Given that, compare the behavior and civility of the posters in this thread between those who believe they were descended from monkeys, to those who believe they were created by an intelligent Designer.
The irony of that observation hasn't been lost on me.
Don't make me start hurling poo!
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Citizen - I agree with all your points, and think Cartoon is just spinning the same creationist crap over and again. But you are the one acting like a troll in this particular case.
You keep saying ignore Cartoon, but you're the one that keeps replying.
Just take a deep breath, listen to your own advice, and move on. Hurtling insults in every post just weakens your position, and makes you look like the raving troll you're accusing others of being.
And if you are right about Cartoon, then you're just playing into his/her game anyway.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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No, I'm just throwing a few truism at someone who desperatly deserves them.
Cartoon is a liar, he's demonstratably lied several times in this thread. He does hate freedom of speech, he pretty much said so back when he was last here. He is a Christian Fanatic, again something he freely admits too. He does believe it's his right and duty to force his religion on other people he said this last time he was here.
And yeah, Kaneman is a Troll, and Cartoon and Kaneman are tag teaming, that should tell people something. You can say I'm acting like a Troll if you like, but Cartoon is a troll, that's the difference.
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My point is, they make their points civilly, at least in this thread. I disagree with them on every point, but they aren't resorting to name calling and mud-slinging. You, on the other hand, seem to be on the verge of throwing a temper tantrum.
It doesn't matter who's right or wrong. You're not going to change their minds, thay're not going to change yours, or mine. Making constant personal attacks makes you out to be an ass, regardless of the points you are trying to make.
And again, you keep saying "ignore them", and then reply to every post they make. Why do you not take your own advice?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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