Joss Discussed Sequel and Other Things
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Does anyone have any idea where the September 2007 date Sean Maher mentioned figures into all of this?
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Originally posted by zoid:
If you fear Firefly/Serenity might be successful if properly handled, then why not simply handle it properly yourself? By the same token, if you're certain you've done everything right and that the property simply will never be profitable, then why not just let it go, and dare your competitors to make something of it?
It makes no sense, it's supposed to be about profit, that's the point right? The evil greedy godless desire to make money above all else? Isn't that supposed to be where it's at?
But if that were the case one of two things would be happening:
1 There would be more Firefly/Serenity being made.
2 There would now be two separate attempts to get rid of the rights to make more for any sum of money (no matter how small) anyone considered offering unless someone else was offering more (or seemed like they would soon.)
Even if you think of it in terms of wanting to screw over your competition there are only two possibilities:
1 It could work - make it work yourself and watch the profits come in.
2 It can't be profitable - let someone else run with it (for free if you have to), they lose some of their money and are less able to compete for however short a time.
It does seem like there is no consideration for making money, instead it is a simple act of, "Mine, you can't have it, all mine." Even though they never want to do anything with it. Sort of like the people who have relics stolen for their private collection that they never look at or buy one of a kind clothing they'll never wear just so no one else gets it.
It's screwed up beyond all comprehension.
(By the way, it isn't just the rich who do this. For example, when my sister's car broke down and she needed a car to get to work and school she asked to borrow my grandmother's my aunt tried to override that because her daughter might want it. Her daughter never went near it, of course, but the point was to make sure someone else couldn't use it. They aren't rich, they're just assholes, thus the behavior isn't limited to the rich.)
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christhecynic:
...And then of course, there's the 'humorous' observation made by a forgotten stand-up comedian: "A woman will buy a pair of shoes, just to make sure no other woman gets them." (NB: Not to say that the comic himself -- yes, it was a male comedian -- has been forgotten entirely, rather that his name escapes me, personally.)
Still, there's a prevalence of this type of 'mine, mine, mine!' type of thinking among the rich, to whom procurement is the straw that stirs their drink, regardless whether they need (or even especially want) the object of their desire or not. Ownership is the king of their hearts...
v/r,
-zed
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Chairman: [of the Very Big Corporation of America]... which brings us once again to the urgent realisation of just how much there is still left to own. Item 6 on the Agenda, the Meaning of Life... Now Harry, you've had some thoughts on this...
Harry: That's right, yeah. I've had a team working on this over the past few weeks, and what we've come up with can be reduced to two fundamental concepts... One... people are not wearing enough hats. Two... matter is energy; in the Universe there are many energy fields which we cannot normally perceive. Some energies have a spiritual source which act upon a person's soul. However, this soul does not exist ab initio, as orthodox Christianity teaches; it has to be brought into existence by a process of guided self-observation. However, this is rarely achieved owing to man's unique ability to be distracted from spiritual matters by everyday trivia.
[Pause.]
Max: What was that about hats again?
Harry: Er... people aren't wearing enough.
Chairman: Is this true?
Edmund: [who is sitting next to Harry] Certainly. Hat sales have increased, but not pari passu... as our research -
Bert: When you say 'enough', enough for what purpose...?
Gunther: Can I ask with reference to your second point, when you say souls don't develop because people become distracted... [distractedly] Has anyone noticed that building there before?
[They all turn towards the window to see a building approaching or sliding into position outside.]
All: Gulp! What? Good Lord! ...THE CRIMSON PERMANENT ASSURANCE!!!
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Originally posted by christhecynic:
Does anyone have any idea where the September 2007 date Sean Maher mentioned figures into all of this?
I believe the date is when the opinions run out to do a BDM2. Universal must declare their intentions by that point or risk losing the actors plus they'd have to renegotiate the contracts.
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Originally posted by zoid:
All: Gulp! What? Good Lord! ...THE CRIMSON PERMANENT ASSURANCE!!!
♪Full speed ahead, Mr. Cohen!
Up, up, up your premium.
Up, up, up your premium.
Scribble away!
Up, up, up your premium.
And balance the books.
Up, up, up your premium.
Scribble away!
Up, up, up your premium.
But manage the books.
Up, up, up.
It's fun to charter an accountant,
And sail the wide accountancy.
To find, explore the funds offshore,
And skirt the shoals of bankruptcy.
It can be manly in insurance.
We'll up your premium semi-annually.
It's all tax-deductible,
We're fairly incorruptible.
We're sailing on the wide accountancy.
Oh, this is fun, Mr. Cohen!
Sail away!...
Up, up, up... ♪
That was a song cue, right?
I don't get the whole "mine,mine,mine" thing either, but have seen it too much to be surprised. The best I can think is that the "logic" may be a what if it balloons over time like Star Trek? Then they figure they'd be sitting pretty on a gold mine, with very little effort on their part.
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"Captain don't want 'em."
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RMMC replied, in part:
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...The best I can think is that the "logic" may be a what if it balloons over time like Star Trek? Then they figure they'd be sitting pretty on a gold mine, with very little effort on their part.
...Well, they may have something there. I, for one, would pay a lot of money to see Nathan -- 10 years from now -- reprising the role of Mal, whilst wearing a bad hair weave and a girdle in order to fit into the 'tight pants', a la fellow Canadian, Bill Shatner. Better avoid the Molson's, boy-o...
Figure-atively,
zoid
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I am new here. A friend turned me on to Serenity shortly after it came out on DVD. I only wish I had watched the series when it aired and the movie when it was in theatres. I have since purchased both the movie, the series, and the sound track. I am just as hopeful as everyone else for another movie or series or whatever we can get.
We need heroes in the times we now live in. Especially heroes who share problems we share. They don't have to be real, they just have to exist in our minds and in our hearts.
The profession I have chosen requires me to deal with many evil people, and many decent people who just happen to be having their worst day. I see little of the good side of society. It sometimes feels as though goodness, truth, and justice are things we remember like a long lost friend, but no longer have with us.
Life is a constant struggle between the good and the evil. Serenity tells that story in a way that makes me feel as though others also realize we must constantly work to make things better. It is seldom easy, and sometimes evil will win, but we must never quit trying. For it is not the end result that will make us better, but the journey we must take to achieve it.
Joss loves his 'verse. All the actors seem to love it just as much. And we all love it too. It makes us feel good. It gives us hope. I hope someday there is more to come. But if there is not, I know that the story Joss did tell us, the characters, and the actors that brought them to life, will forever be a positive memory for me, and will help me remember that there still is some good in the world, and it is worth fighting for.
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Originally posted by Rosewood022:
I am new here. A friend turned me on to Serenity shortly after it came out on DVD. I only wish I had watched the series when it aired and the movie when it was in theatres. I have since purchased both the movie, the series, and the sound track. I am just as hopeful as everyone else for another movie or series or whatever we can get.
We need heroes in the times we now live in. Especially heroes who share problems we share. They don't have to be real, they just have to exist in our minds and in our hearts.
The profession I have chosen requires me to deal with many evil people, and many decent people who just happen to be having their worst day. I see little of the good side of society. It sometimes feels as though goodness, truth, and justice are things we remember like a long lost friend, but no longer have with us.
Life is a constant struggle between the good and the evil. Serenity tells that story in a way that makes me feel as though others also realize we must constantly work to make things better. It is seldom easy, and sometimes evil will win, but we must never quit trying. For it is not the end result that will make us better, but the journey we must take to achieve it.
Joss loves his 'verse. All the actors seem to love it just as much. And we all love it too. It makes us feel good. It gives us hope. I hope someday there is more to come. But if there is not, I know that the story Joss did tell us, the characters, and the actors that brought them to life, will forever be a positive memory for me, and will help me remember that there still is some good in the world, and it is worth fighting for.
Rosewood022, first off welcome. Usually I'm light and tend to be very happy when welcoming a newcomer, for you new folk mean that the 'verse has gained another person who loves it.
And it's not that I'm not happy ... it's that you profoundly touched me tonight.
I have been musing all day about where we are in the scheme of things with FF/Serenity. The anniversary is over, the Summer of Serenity is past, the holiday season is coming and we still don't have news of a sequel.
Over on Whedonesque there is a thread that started as a report on a LiveJournal site that has open letters of thank you to Joss. It's a wonderful idea and the stories over there are touching. There have been folks who have met the best friends of their lives, chosen a profession, or even met their spouse thru the love of Joss Whedon's 'verses. How can these stories written by this man, who has so profoundly changed lives, including mine go unappreciated and waiting? It astounds me.
But.. as I read your post, I remembered what a hero Mal is to me, and how the cohesive family that is alive and breathing in that show helped me get thru the death of my father. How I laughed and cried. How my heart bled when Simon and River's father didn't do what needed to be done to save River, and how I wept tears of happiness when Mal did do what was necessary to save River.
I remembered that while watching it for the first time, even before coming here, I was filled with belief in the goodness of folks again. In freedom again. Then after coming here I was certain-- dead certain-- I was home. As always, when I am confused about such things, someone here, a fellow Browncoat says just exactly what needs said. Thank you for that.
Now, also.. welcome home. I hope you come to love this wonderful place as much as I do.
Oh.. and here's a gift...
Everyone who joins us here gets a token, and sometimes they may think it's silly.. virtual browncoat.
*hands Rosewood022 a browncoat*
I am very proud to do that, and very proud to call you one of us.
"You hold. Hold 'til I get back." Mal
Go to www.bigdamnthankyou.com and check it out!
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Hey all!
I am new to the whole serenity /firefly thing and, i trust like you all, i am sad to find that the series was long over before i found out about it. Reminds me of discovering the lordof the rings a year after the death of JRR.
I gotta say though, with the whole experience of viewing the series and the movie just behind me ( as of an hour ago) that i disagree with the view that any new series would have to follow the old in a linear fashion. The series has some of the best writing there is, period. There is a consistant balance between plot, character developement, humour and message. Each of the above being, for lack of a more detailed term .....Beautiful. The series is a s moving as the theme music.
Ok so what is my point? Just that the series is more than worth revivng and i for one will overlook a jump in rivers age, and the fact that we all know the dark secret of rivers torment in order to enjoy more episodes. I would love to see them develope the story and i can forget the fact that i know how it will end in order to see the show, with the whole cast play itself out the way it should have. Hell's bells, Joss can change the damn ending if he really wants to!
So who do i have to pay to get a network to pick up the series? You know, there is a lot of money for films and tv in canada...... Maybe Mal is canadian!
JOhn
no witty quote. i just aint that witty
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Rosewood022 and Caranmacil welcome to the boat. We're very glad that you've found us. There's a fresh keg of mudders milk in the galley. Help youself. Join the fun and post till your hands turn blue. Well maybe not that :)
Anyway enjoy yourself fellow browncoats.
See ya,Z
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Glad to see Joss clearing some of the speculation up.
Of course this is really telling us what we already knew. There is no news at this point. The studio is not saying anything about a sequel, most likely because they are watching the Serenity dvd #s to see how they add up.
So, our mission is the same browncoats. We need to keep holding the line. We have to keep introducing the show & movie to new people. We have to keep converting the uninitiated to grow our ranks. We have to push the Serenity dvd to get more money into the coffers of 'Versal. Money is what will greenlight a sequel and that is only gonna happen if we keep doing what we have been doing all along. According to a recent interview w/ Sean, the contracts w/ Universal expire in September of 2007. That gives us eleven months for a big push, to sell those dvds and flood Universal with their proceeds to convince them to give a sequel a chance.
So, let's get to it!
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