Inconsistent Jayne in 'Safe'?

POSTED BY: IndigoStarblaster
UPDATED: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:58
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CAVALIER

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:24 PM

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Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
I hadn't thought of that... but if River were reacting to Simon's impending kidnapping, why would she later follow in such a playful manner ("Found you!")?

She might have changed her mind, and decided it probably was a game after all. River knows she is ill, after all.

Alternatively, she may have decided it was safer to play the fool. She was certainly acting when she spoke to Badger in the previous episode, so why not when she spoke around the kidnappers in Safe?

CAVALIER

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:25 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
I hadn't thought of that... but if River were reacting to Simon's impending kidnapping, why would she later follow in such a playful manner ("Found you!")?

She might have changed her mind, and decided it probably was a game after all. River knows she is ill, after all.

Alternatively, she may have decided it was safer to play the fool. She was certainly acting when she spoke to Badger in the previous episode, so why not when she spoke around the kidnappers in Safe?

EDIT: Ahh my first double post... had to happen eventually I suppose.

HERA7

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 9:59 PM

Just before River reacted and stopped dancing, she was surrounded by people enjoying the music and having fun. She was feeding off that energy of the crowd. Even Simon was enjoying himself. Then these two men approach with hostile intent. She may not of know what that intent was until they grabbed Simon, but it broke the mood/spell on her from the positive energy.

River seems to have all three types of mind reading. First there is reading what people are feeling, or empathy. Then there is reading what they are thinking at the moment. Also she can read glimpses into past thoughts and experiences. Her strongest is the empathic sense. This shows up more than any of the others.

She also has heightened physical senses, which shows up in 'Out of Gas,' for example, when she says 'Fire' just before the engine blew.

Hera7

TENTHCREWMEMBER

Tuesday, October 10, 2006 10:59 PM

My impression of River in "Safe" is that while she may not have known what happened to Book, she sensed the negativity of it, and I believe the kidnapping coincided with Book being shot. That being said, I think River's first instinct was to find her brother, her protector, and that is why she doesn't run off to help Book.

As for Jayne, I think the assumption he grew up having to be the man of the house at too young an age is accurate. I think his childish behaviors are a result of not being able to explore those behaviors as a child, and underneath it all, like Mal, he's a good man...he just has to learn to reevaluate his priorities, which we see him do. Even in the movie, his complaint about River & Simon is that they are a threat to "us on this boat". He clearly makes it known he worries not only for himself, and more importantly, when he later learns the truth of everything about River & Miranda, he's the first to volunteer and passes the bottle to Simon as if to say "Let bygones be bygones" which is the closest you'll get for a "sorry" from Jayne.

Also in the vein of being a good man, is his cunning hat. His Momma made it for him to show she cares about him like he cares about the family --> "Thank you for the credits you forwarded, they have helped as Matty is still sick with the Damplung."

He's a pirate!
And a good man. :P

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CAVALIER

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:21 PM

I'm not sure that I would call Jayne childish. He simply has a straightforward view of the world.

There is Jayne.
There is Jayne's family.
There are Jayne's friends (possibly a very small group).

Simon and River did not fall into any of those categories, especially not as far back as 'Safe'.

If anything, the presence of the Tam's endangered the people in those categories.

On the other hand, as long as Mal wanted them around, Jayne was going to have to live with them, and people who did like them. So he was not going to start a fight, especially since he might find himself on Simons operating table the next day.

BROWNCOATSAWAY

Friday, October 20, 2006 9:05 AM

are companions like the geishas of the future? i don't know just thought i make that comment

JOSSISAGOD

Sunday, October 22, 2006 2:41 AM

Exactly! In the commentary for "Shindig" Morena Baccarin and Jane Espenson, comment that Companions are more like Geishas than prostitutes.

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USMCHELLRAISER

Sunday, October 22, 2006 5:32 AM

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Originally posted by xitwound117:
You know, this is unrelated to the thread, but I think Jayne has much more of a bad reputation than he deserves. He seems to be
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You can't expect a linguist to know jack about combat. Plus, he's not a bad guy. "Jaynestown" shows so.

Most people I have found who could never actually imagine themselves fighting or in combat for almost anything have a negative impression of people whose profession is in combat/combat arms.
People who are unafraid of the social reprecussions or judgements about resorting to violence are considered 'neanderthals', simple-minded, or childish.

Question: If an insane moody ten-year old boy who talked to himself all the time slashed you almost to the sternum with a knife and lived with you in your home, how would you feel about them?

Question the Second: What would have happened to Simon and River if she had slashed Mal or Zoe? Mal or Zoe would have shot her dead. It's only because the crew of Serenity have an opinion of Jayne as Self-Centered that they sympathize more with others. Jayne has always had Mal's back, yet Mal doesn't care about Jayne's comfort or feelings as much as he does about Simon and River's (well, mostly River's). I'm not saying that Mal is wrong for being that way, I think it's natural for a Man to want to protect a woman. We're genetically programmed for it. But the funny thing is, Jayne would have had Mal's back ten times more than Simon if pushed to the wall- he doesn't have a sister to worry about and protect, so he can be more loyal and less divided.
I like that these characters were written flawed, 'inconsistent' yet true to their personalities- it makes them human to me.

"...let's not ruin an otherwise pleasant day with unnecessary bloodshed..."

CAVALIER

Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:58 AM

In the pilot, Jayne told Mal that the reason he did not betray Mal was that the "money wasn't good enough".

In Jaynestown, Jayne describes how he betrayed a former partner to keep the proceeds of a robbery.

In OOG we see how Jayne betrayed his then employer and defected to Mal in the middle of a robbery, because Mal offered a better deal.

At one point Jayne said he thought that the only reason Mal kept the Tams around was so that he could sell them to the Alliance later (presumably when the price had gone up). It appears that he regards such behaviour as normal.

He clearly did betray Simon in Ariel.

The only moral standard that is widespread in the 'verse is that you should not betray your people. Jayne has broken that rule in the past, and indicated that he would be willing to do so in the future.

It is hardly a surprise that people do not regard Jayne as trustworthy.

That is not inconsistant with not wanting to get caught stealing from your own shipmates as in Safe.

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