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River's Dream Voices from Objects in Space

POSTED BY: Hera7
UPDATED: Monday, October 9, 2006 22:13
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Sunday, October 8, 2006 1:54 AM

Here is what I could hear in Out of Gas from when Mal passed out to when Zoe noticed he was awake. The first part is before we hear engine and infirmary noise. There is a slight echo in the audio, making it seem like a dream sequence.

Salesman Slim: A real beauty ain’t she. Yes, sir.

Kaylee: Serenity’s not movin’.

Wash: When your miracle gets here, pound this button once and call everybody home.

Inara: Mal, come with us

Mal: Everybody dies alone.


Now we are in the infirmary, Mal is waking up

Wash: I’ll run up there and scrape up a piece

Zoe: (chuckle) You do that for me?

Wash: I’d do anything for you, you know that.

Unintelligible background: Jayne and Inara?

Wash: ~Hey you pretty lady~

Inara: I think its something he should see when he wakes up.

Jayne: He’s seen blood before, lots of it.

Zoe: Welcome back, sir.


Wash's line of ~hey you pretty lady~ was difficult to understand, it may be something different. That is why I use the ~ symbol, to indicate it is not clear enough to be absolutely sure of the line.

I'll forward the file to be posted with the other one so you can hear the audio. Audio forensics is a difficult thing to do with out specialized equipment, but I think I got all that I could out of this one.

Hera7

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Sunday, October 8, 2006 4:15 AM

Kaylee's line in OiS sounds more to me like, "I don't think it's something..." Then Zoe's line drowns her out.

Yes, the Inara line gives me chills. Especially as the sound intensifies along with Jayne's "Gotta have it."

Spookiness...

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Sunday, October 8, 2006 4:21 PM

Okay, here are the links to both audio files Hera7 sent me. Please right click and save to your computer.

http://templetongate.net/OiSRiverDreams.mp3

http://templetongate.net/OoGMalDreams.mp3





wo men ren ran zai fei xing.

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Sunday, October 8, 2006 5:57 PM

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Originally posted by TheRealMe:


Then, of course, Early's voice shocks River awake. Yes, I also thought that unfamiliar voice sent her off looking for a weapon with which to defend the ship. How did she get it? We hear Jayne talking about how he doesn't leave his guns lying around. and something was mentioned about a combination for the gun locker. I think she just lifted the combination from Jayne's mind.



When we saw the gun from Rivers POV, it was a stick. She did not seem (to me) to be thinking of the gun as a weapon. I think she was just playing with it. If she knew about Early, she would have tried to warn her brother, like when they re-entered Serenity in Bushwacked.

She may have been suspicious that something was up (Wash noticed something odd, too), but not enough to try to warn people.

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Sunday, October 8, 2006 11:21 PM

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Originally posted by TheRealMe:
I thought that the whole set of Dream Voices was just lifted straight out of "Out of Gas" from the point where Mal is just waking up near the end.

If I'm not mistaken, part of the OOG dream voices is someone offering to scrape some cake off the floor. I would be interested if an audio of that could be captured and the two compared.



Yeah, that's what I've usually got from it, but that's mainly because the only one I hear is Inara's "I really think we should do something about that blood," which is from when Mal is first waking up in Out of gas.

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Sunday, October 8, 2006 11:26 PM

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Originally posted by Hera7:


Jayne: ~pleese~ on the floor, lots of it, got to have it.





Okay, sorry but I just needed to correct this, but I believe Jayne's line is the one from out of gas: "he's seen blood before, lots of it", and Inara's from out of gas is "I don't think it's something he should see when he wakes up" She's refering to the blood...

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Monday, October 9, 2006 3:01 AM

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Originally posted by Hera7:


Jayne: ~pleese~ on the floor, lots of it, got to have it.






This line is from OiS

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Monday, October 9, 2006 3:04 AM

Yeah, what I meant was that I thought the line from Objects in Space was the one from Out of Gas...or at least that's just what I've always got from it....

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Monday, October 9, 2006 4:14 AM

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Originally posted by Cavalier:
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Originally posted by TheRealMe:


Then, of course, Early's voice shocks River awake. Yes, I also thought that unfamiliar voice sent her off looking for a weapon with which to defend the ship. How did she get it? We hear Jayne talking about how he doesn't leave his guns lying around. and something was mentioned about a combination for the gun locker. I think she just lifted the combination from Jayne's mind.



When we saw the gun from Rivers POV, it was a stick. She did not seem (to me) to be thinking of the gun as a weapon. I think she was just playing with it. If she knew about Early, she would have tried to warn her brother, like when they re-entered Serenity in Bushwacked.

She may have been suspicious that something was up (Wash noticed something odd, too), but not enough to try to warn people.



Well, I don't think that River KNEW what she was doing during all of this. I believe that some part of her had taken over, but the part of River whose POV we got was clueless.

I really liked seeing River's POV. I imagine that she ALWAYS sees the world like this.

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Monday, October 9, 2006 9:03 PM

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Originally posted by TheRealMe:


Then, of course, Early's voice shocks River awake. Yes, I also thought that unfamiliar voice sent her off looking for a weapon with which to defend the ship. How did she get it? We hear Jayne talking about how he doesn't leave his guns lying around. and something was mentioned about a combination for the gun locker. I think she just lifted the combination from Jayne's mind.



It just occurred to me the as she seems to have got the gun in a public area (the cargo hold), she may simply have seen someone open the gun locker before. After all, a few minutes later (our time) she was secretly listening in on the crews discussion about her.


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Originally posted by TheRealMe:
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Originally posted by Cavalier:


When we saw the gun from Rivers POV, it was a stick. She did not seem (to me) to be thinking of the gun as a weapon. I think she was just playing with it. If she knew about Early, she would have tried to warn her brother, like when they re-entered Serenity in Bushwacked.

She may have been suspicious that something was up (Wash noticed something odd, too), but not enough to try to warn people.



Well, I don't think that River KNEW what she was doing during all of this. I believe that some part of her had taken over, but the part of River whose POV we got was clueless.

I really liked seeing River's POV. I imagine that she ALWAYS sees the world like this.



I recently came across an article about using the Second Life VR world to give people the experience of schizophrenia. It sounded very like Rivers POV in OiS.

I think you are probably right – she usually does see the world like this. No wonder she is so confused.

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From the Economist:


Peter Yellowlees, a professor of psychiatry at the University of California, Davis, has been teaching about schizophrenia for 20 years, but says that he was never really able to explain to his students just how their patients suffer. So he went online, downloaded some free software and entered Second Life...
Mr. Yellowlees created hallucinations. A resident might walk through a virtual hospital ward, and a picture on the wall would suddenly flash the word "shitface". The floor might fall away, leaving the person to walk on stepping stones above the clouds. An in-world television set would change from showing an actual speech by Bob Hawke, Australia's former prime minister, into Mr Hawke shouting, "Go and kill yourself, you wretch!" A reflection in a mirror might have bleeding eyes and die.



I wonder what a crowd look like to River? Perhaps I should feel lucky I do not know…


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