Joss Discussed Sequel and Other Things

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MGORMAN

Saturday, October 7, 2006 4:16 PM

Joss Whedon sets things straight after rumours of "no sequel" in a post on Whedonesque! http://whedonesque.com/comments/11513#144407

In the last part of the post he says this:

"Here's a thing: when "Firefly" was cancelled, my heart got broke. Sounds a bit much, but it changed me. Not even "Serenity" could patch that wound. I'm wearier, warier -- after all those years as a movie writer, you'd think I'd be prepared for another lesson on my unimportance in the scheme of things, but I wasn't. There are two very separate worlds: the marketplace, and the bustling bazaar that is my brain. The brain place is crowded with goods, ideas, sequels,spinoffs, animated versions, miniseries, radio dramas -- this is just the used goods. All the new wares are in there as well and it's deafening. Once I create a verse I never let go of it. And figuring
out how much of my energy should be devoted to reawakening the projects you all love with the actors and characters I all love, and how much should be forging ahead and creating entirely new works (which you are contractually obligated to love) is exhausting. More than you know. You know the horse caught bwtween two pools of water?
Add seven pools, and make the horse wicked A.D.D. The other world, the marketplace, I don't even begin to understand or predict. All these rumor of projects or the death of projects... When the two worlds align and something actually happens, whatever it is, you guys know I'll be on this site as soon as I'm allowed to be. And I'll be very very clear. There is no news. Not never, just now. I'm off to lunch with Lonelygirl."
Your Scribe, -j."

Mark Gorman

ZZETTA13

Saturday, October 7, 2006 7:47 PM

Seems to me that Joss is still inspired yet sailing ahead with optimistic-caution. Who wouldn’t do the same after being snake bitten by a company as pompous as the one that will go unnamed in this post. I can not for the life of me understand why the “green light” hasn’t been given to another FF/Serenity project. First thing that comes to mind is the money issue. I’ve been a member of the site here long enough to see/tell that this may not be the case. It may very well be tv-politics as another browncoat has stated in another thread.
“absolute power corrupts absolutely” to the point of not admitting mistakes. Cancellation of FF was a mistake no ifs ands or buts. Yet who in the world of tv land exects has the nerve to tell the “Big Guys” they were wrong for pulling the plug. Well we the fan do. You guys were wrong and you know it. I can only imagine where the show would be now if it had just been given another season. I would go as far to say it would be at the top of “___es” charts and there would be a smile from ear to ear on their happy mugs. Where is the smile now? FF never really got to see the dawn of a new day yet even now it is better that 99% of what is on the tube. In a world of competition it was a World- Class runner handicapped by the powers that be forced to use crutches. Well the runner is still World-Class but those in charge have dropped the baton and are refusing to pick it up. How silly is that?

The Browncoat corp. stand united. We will still be here years from now and each season that goes by without FF/Serenity is less coin in a “Suits” pocket.

Z

SAVEWASH

Saturday, October 7, 2006 7:54 PM

Thanks for posting this. It's kind of sad, isn't it? Nobody should mess around with a genius like Joss--they should have just trusted him. Look what he's already created and imagine what he still could create. I don't understand the network-that-shall-remain-unnamed either.

Here's hoping "the two worlds align" someday. We'll all be there to celebrate!

"We need to keep our heads so we can ... keep our heads."

ADAPA

Sunday, October 8, 2006 3:51 AM

An odd thought occured to me when I read you post. But I"m getting a head of my self, I'm deffinatly in the class of browncoat that thinks something is going on that we don't know about. I'm willing to let it unfold but can't help but "see" hopefull quasi hints everywhere.
So here's the thought, I agree the BDM2 should have been green lighted already. Maybe the hold up isn't Universal but Joss trying for a series instead?

I don't have a stitch of fact to back up the idea except for Joss's post speaking to 'Serenity not patching the wound of Firefly being canceled' and 'a crowded brain and it's deafening'
It sounds as tho Serenity didn't put the 'Verse to bed and there's a lot more ideas bouncing around in Joss's brain trying to find a way out.

Crimson Dark

http://www.davidcsimon.com/crimsondark/index.php?view=comic

ZZETTA13

Sunday, October 8, 2006 10:49 AM

Adapa your post has cast a subtle light on things that I haven't thought about. If you're saying a BDM2 is being viewed by the powers that be with a positive attitude but Joss is wanting to go a step further and take it all the way to another series. Well, isn't that a Win-Win situation for the browncoats :)
I'm not seeing it but I guess it can't be ruled out.

I guess I view Joss's statement about Serenity being only a patch over the scar of FF in a different way. My wife pointed something out to me a couple of months ago and it hit me like a hammer that she was right (she usually is). Serenity and Firefly are two separate animals. I'm saying this because we see it and there have been posts on the forum here by others that seem to confirm that it's felt the same by many.

The writing styles of Serenity and FF are different. Joss and company were writing the series in a carefree style were one story could flow into another. Hints of one eps could be allured to or talked about in the next eps or in another one down the road. The feeling was that there was plenty of time (and story ideas) to let the water run, so to speak, until the idea mill became but a drip. Cast and crew were blindsided by the network decision to cancel.

When the "green light" was given for the movie Joss was forced to write differently. He would have to write in a way that 1) would make the loyal FF fans happy and continue the story 2) Write in a way so that any non fans that went to see the show would “get the J/verse” and 3) Write in a way that could bring a certain amount of closure because by then he had become gun-shy and there was no promise of a sequel.

I really enjoyed Serenity. The BDM was what lead us to the dvd series in the first place. I love the Firefly series. A sequel to Serenity would be nice but a new series is a browncoat dream. Well that and another movie would be.

Z

ANA

Sunday, October 8, 2006 1:35 PM

Interesting point about the writing styles. You're absolutely correct. Joss had seven years' worth of episodes arced out before filming Firefly, and he ended up with only 13 eps in the can. Then he gets the movie greenlight. I can only imagine the agonies he went through trying to cram as much closure as he could into those two hours. Two hours does not make up for seven years, period.

I read his post, and while I'm glad that he's still holding out hope for a continuation (of any kind), he seemed more resigned than anything else. From what I know of show biz, which admittedly isn't much, getting one chance means you're very fortunate, and two chances is downright miraculous. There are no third chances. At least, none that I've ever heard of.

Joss said it himself, he's got other obligations now. By the time he has the opportunity to get back to anything Firefly-related, everyone will be at least five years older and with obligations of their own. I'm sure they'd all love to do a movie or a show again (the actors seem to love it just as much as Joss), but where would you start? Summer especially is a problem, being young enough that there would need to be a considerable time jump forward to explain her age. It could be done, of course, but it's still a problem.

Anyway, the point of my ranting is to say that, while Joss' reassurance that he hasn't given up is a balm to this tortured Browncoat's soul, the reality is that the odds are not good. Not that that's ever stopped Firefly fans before, but they're even longer odds this time around. Here's hoping I'll be proven a pessimistic doom-sayer at some point. ;)

"There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable.

"There is another which states that this has already happened." - The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy

PINBALLWIZARD

Sunday, October 8, 2006 4:16 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by zzetta13:
The Browncoat corp. stand united. We will still be here years from now and each season that goes by without FF/Serenity is less coin in a “Suits” pocket.

Z

Here here! It takes a great person to admit they were wrong, which means that Firefly was canceled by a bunch of not just wusses, but super-wusses of a kind unseen before that network got on the air. The bad news is they'd probably be right if they said they were changing the way we look at TV. Yeah, by LOWERING EVERYONE'S STANDARDS AND EXPECTATIONS!!!

There is nothing wrong with believing in this show. It's funny, smart, action packed and, most importantly, has a good message: everyone should have the freedom to live their own lives. They brought back Family Guy, they brought back Futurama, they can bring back this.

No, I am not insane, I am crazy. Thank you for asking.

MARINA

Sunday, October 8, 2006 8:27 PM

Quote:
By the time he has the opportunity to get back to anything Firefly-related, everyone will be at least five years older and with obligations of their own.

Is that an official number or speculation based on his current obligations?

Don't make faces.

JONGSSTRAW

Sunday, October 8, 2006 11:38 PM

I had never seen Firefly, but went out and bought the Serenity widescreen DVD based solely on reviews posted at Amazon. I liked the movie from the first minute, but I wasn't real sure what I was looking at for most of the movie....I knew I was hooked once Mal decided to go after the Alliance after they slaughtered Sheppard Book...( whoever the heck he was?).
Buying Firefly DVD set immediately followed and I experienced what millions of Coats experienced...something unique & terrific...I loved all the characters and the stories.

What I mostly loved about Firefly was its' adult nature, action and humor, and MOST OF ALL the fact that it never, never becomes a kiddie-piece of cuddlieness. Since August I've seen the movie 3 times, and watched the entire TV series 3 times....I really do not watch much TV...very few "produced" TV shows..just sports and movies. I had kind of given up of sci-fi television a long time ago...feeling that the last generation of new wave sci-fi was way too special effects driven, but character-weak...fact is I couldn't think of any show with characters I liked or felt close to since the original Battlestar in 1979.

If Joss never does any more new Firefly/Serenity I will be quite satisfied with the 15 gems I have, sort of like a rare treasure. On the other hand I anxiously await and hope for more. These people are my folk.

CHRISTHECYNIC

Monday, October 9, 2006 12:24 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Ana:
Here's hoping I'll be proven a pessimistic doom-sayer at some point. ;)

Hey, we've all had to be either pessimistic doomsayers or self-deceptive idiots at some point, some of us were probably both. The question is whether the fact that you're being a pessimistic doomsayer will have a negative effect.

If you still tell people who might be receptive, "There's this great thing called Firefly/Serenity, you should really watch it," what does it matter what you think of the future? If you don't ... well you're an ass for not spreading the goodness around, but I'm not gonna hold that against you.

If you never meet people who might be receptive the point is moot.

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