What's wrong with Star Trek Voyager, and Enterprise?

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, October 5, 2006 12:16 AM

The Doctor's moment in First Contact had the theatre howling! It was the highlight of the film for me.

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BACON

Thursday, October 5, 2006 1:30 AM

Voyager started out slow to me then picked up as it went on and when Enterprise came along a prequel just did not seem to work. But that's just me.

TRAVELER

Thursday, October 5, 2006 1:52 AM

The one thing that bothered me was the holodeck. It would cause all kinds of problems and they never got rid of it. If I had a device in my car that would cause me to crash every other week you can bet it would be removed. But that is another story.

Traveler

INTERL0PER

Thursday, October 5, 2006 3:16 AM

Hard to quantify it I guess...Voyager really wasn't too bad, too many of the later eps relied on ridiculously bloated technobabble and pyrotechnics when character and plot could have served much better. Post-Seven Voyager and the first 3 seasons of Enterprise had way too much pandering, although I loved the *stories* that dealt with Seven. The Equinox also stands out for the most part, using established tech and characters for unique effect rather than inventing a new temporal-subspace-transporter-decompiled-quantum-matrix-telepathy-device-of-the-week to carry the story. Enterprise had a real crisis of character, I don't know how they managed to write characters so unsympathetically. Archer being a Proto-Kirk cowboy was one thing, but having him storm through the corridors virtually threatening to jettison the next officer that got in front of him at the turbolift out an airlock got old fast. They got pretty close with Trip and T'Pol near the end, then tossed it all into the eps grid with the final ep. If Travis had ever gotten a tenth of the lines of Archer and Tucker, and got a damn promotion in 10 years, it would have actually raised the credibility quotient considerably. I did at least care about the characters on Voyager; by no means have I seen every episode of either, but Voyager kept me engaged more cosistently over its run despite several "Special Guest Star" debacles. Captain Frown and the crew from Enterprise (and I have a heavy prejudice toward liking Scott Bakula!) lost me by about the third episode. I agree the B and B team is probably most responsible for the last series' shortcomings.

RAULBLOODWORTH

Thursday, October 5, 2006 4:41 AM

The first few years of Voyager with the exception of "Future's End", and the one with Amelia Earhart, were pretty bad. Once Jeri Ryan joined the show it statred to get really good. I thought Enterprise started off strong, but after the first couple eps. I stopped watching. I tuned in again for the last season and thought it was much better than the previous seasons. In a Mirrior darkly pt I and II as well as the Augments story line were brilliant.

OPPYH

Friday, October 6, 2006 2:04 AM

I'll definately try Voyager. Of all the Trek series Voyager has by far the greatest opening theme I have ever heard. Truly epic.
I have seen a few episodes, and they weren't bad, just average. It might take some time getting used to the crew though.

ATIGDNG

Friday, October 6, 2006 2:20 AM

Actually I really only liked Star Trek Voyager and Enterprise, the others not so much.

2 cents

CYBERSNARK

Friday, October 6, 2006 2:34 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by BWare42:
Trek had so many interesting aliens already, I didn't think it was necessary to create a whole new race that had never been seen before in the Trek 'verse.

Well, the Xindi were cool mainly in being a showcase of the various types of Trek aliens: The primates (humans-with-bumpy-foreheads/cheeks/noses/ears), the reptilians (full-head/body makeup), the arboreals (full-head/body with fur [which is much more difficult than scales, from an FX standpoint]), the aquatics (CG in a CG environment, added via green-screen), and the insectoids (cg interacting with the actual set), were every makeup/effects trick Star Trek has ever used. I was hoping that we'd see the avians in flashback or something, and they'd be Farscape-style animatronics (which Trek has never done).

Plus, the Xindi races being at each others' throats was a good analogy for what Archer would be dealing with in S4, trying to unite various hostile races into the first Federation. Besides, the really interesting alien races (Borg, Cardassian, Hirogen, Jem'Hadar) couldn't show up without breaking continuity.

(And before anyone brings up the "Ferengi!!!11!" and "Borg!!11!!1" rants, you'll note that neither group really identified themselves or provided any context. They would go down in history [via the logs of Archer & crew] as "unknown big-eared aliens" and "hostile cybernetic life-forms." The word "Ferengi" was never spoken by a human until after Maxia Zeta, and the Borg were first identified by Q. The established continuity stands.)

The main problem Enterprise had with aliens was breaking the line-of-progression. Every Star Trek series prior to Ent had the motif of "take your worst enemy; meet your new best friend." TOS gave us an alien "invader" as first officer and taught us to fear and hate Klingons (and androids). TNG gave us a Klingon security cheif and an android ops officer, but introduced the Cardassians. DS9 made us get to know the Cardassians in the form of Garak, Dukat, Damar, and Ziyal, and gave us the Maquis. Voyager gave us a partly-Maquis crew, and gave a human face to the Borg.

Linearly, the post-Voyager series should've included a Jem'Hadar, or a Vorta, or some "villain" from a previous series as an ally. Instead, by making it a prequel, they had no choice but to go back to a Vulcan, periodic Andorians, and people we already met in TOS. They needed a new race without the emotional/narrative baggage, who could be the irredeemable monsters (and end up giving us a hero like Degra).

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RICKKER

Friday, October 6, 2006 4:13 AM

well, I just ran through the post and didn't read so if someone already covered sorry to repeat. After DS9 the behind the scenes guys stopped with the character writing and tried to make the aliens and effect the center. Forgetting what made Trek so good was the characters that drew us in. Each show had its merrits. Enterprize was very good in the 4th(last)season going the route it should have been on to begin with, and the very good character stories. I have met several of the actors of both shows and really like them, it was the decision making folks that screwwed the pooch.

JAYNEZTOWN

Thursday, December 12, 2024 7:14 PM

a franchise that has gone weaker and weaker since its original, each new one is ok but it lacks the spark the original had.

meanwhile other shows rose 'Firely' other brands, Babylon-5 shows, the Stargate franchise a huge one to rival Trek, Farscape, and comics and books, Dark Matter 2015 TV series, or another show also called Dark Matter 2024 TV series featuring a big black box and a parallel universe.

JJ Abrams tried a reboot with movies but that died off

like the comicbook is it a franchise that has too much canon, too many shows and movies and is simply overdone

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