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UPDATED: Wednesday, November 8, 2006 11:24
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Well, we ARE talking about Joss, after all. The man would kill off everyone if given half a chance. As much as I'm a fan of his stuff, the non stop snuffing off of characters after we've been introduced to and fallin in love with them is really a pet peeve of mine. (rant over )
Non-stop? It was hardly quite as desperate as that ;) If you ignore Angel S5 (and I think it's fair to given the circumstances), then only 3 principal characters were killed off across 180+ hours of TV. And that's including Tara!
I've not even seen all of Buffy yet, but she died how many times? 3 ? So I don't even want to start in w/ any of that just now.
As for Angel, let's see....if ya don't let me include Season 5, then it's hardly fair, now is it? Besides the finale, Fred and Cordy die off. And before, Darla dies (again). And we can't forget Lilah.
And in the Firefly 'verse, 2 of the original 9 crew died in just the first movie!
Point is, Joss likes killing off folks as much as he likes creating them.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I've not even seen all of Buffy yet, but she died how many times? 3 ? So I don't even want to start in w/ any of that just now.
If a character dies and is resurrected that hardly counts as a character being 'killed off'.
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As for Angel, let's see....if ya don't let me include Season 5, then it's hardly fair, now is it?
I excluded S5 because **SPOILERS**
a) Wesley dies in the final episode, and I believe Joss has said that he would have returned had there been an S6
b) Fred dies, but again was intended to come back the next year
c) Cordy dies, but her story arc was significantly shaped by real world events
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Besides the finale, Fred and Cordy die off. And before, Darla dies (again). And we can't forget Lilah.
Darla and Lilah are both supporting cast. Besides, both of them made went on to make post-humous appearances!
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And in the Firefly 'verse, 2 of the original 9 crew died in just the first movie!
And as we're all very aware, the movie was a condensation of many, many hours of potential TV episodes. Mitigating circumstances or what?
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Grounded - You're just not gonna let me win this one, are ya ? Hey, did ya see my sig? Sure, it just says 'shoots' and not 'kills', but we know what Joss REALLY means, now don't we ? 
Ok, not so much main characters, but ya gotta admit, lots of secondary folks die on Joss's shows. From the parasite demon Merl to Knox ( aka Tracey ), and a long list of folks who deserved it or not.
Niska -should die, didn't
Nandie - shouldn't have, but did.
Ok, I got nothin' more to add on this thread. Least not yet.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I was traumatised by Merl's death. I love TM, but how could he kill the poor guy off before the credits dammit!
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Originally posted by Grounded:
I was traumatised by Merl's death. I love TM, but how could he kill the poor guy off before the credits dammit!
TM ?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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I think they mean Tim Minear.
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I think they mean Tim Minear.
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Yes yes. All is made clear now. Thanks
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Originally posted by deepgirl187:
I think they mean Tim Minear.
They do indeed.
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Well, death is one of Joss' main themes. It's something he grapples with in all his work. Like power (or lack thereof), and love (or lack thereof) and how people cope in the face of desperate circumstances. You have to hand it to the guy, he tackles the big stuff!
If I were going for a psyche 101 approach, I'd say his Mum's death had a huge impact on his writing. For those of you who've seen the Buffy season 5 episode 'The Body', most of the first half hour of that episode was pretty much taken directly from his own experience. It makes sense to me that he'd want to explore how popular, well loved characters' deaths impact the other characters, rather than just people who breeze in out of nowhere.
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If I were going for a psyche 101 approach, I'd say his Mum's death had a huge impact on his writing. For those of you who've seen the Buffy season 5 episode 'The Body', most of the first half hour of that episode was pretty much taken directly from his own experience. It makes sense to me that he'd want to explore how popular, well loved characters' deaths impact the other characters, rather than just people who breeze in out of nowhere
I wasn't aware of his mom's passing. There's something Joss and I share in common.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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