eroding freedom

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RUE

Sunday, October 1, 2006 7:38 PM

Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

GEEZER

Monday, October 2, 2006 1:24 AM

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Originally posted by rue:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

So shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater is OK? Or walking up to a policeman with a hand under your coat and yelling "I've got a gun and I'm gonna kill you"? Or jumping up out of your seat in an airliner an screaming "I've got a bomb and I'm going to blow you infidels up in the name of Allah"? Or being able to call the Black guy you work with a "nigger"?

"Freedom of Speech" does not justify or permit reckless endangerment, intimidation, or harrassment. Rights entail responsibilities. TSA personnel have to figure this out thousands of times a day, on the fly. You try it for a while, and then complain.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

KANEMAN

Monday, October 2, 2006 1:51 AM

Quote:
Originally posted by Geezer:
Quote:
Originally posted by rue:
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

So shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater is OK? Or walking up to a policeman with a hand under your coat and yelling "I've got a gun and I'm gonna kill you"? Or jumping up out of your seat in an airliner an screaming "I've got a bomb and I'm going to blow you infidels up in the name of Allah"? Or being able to call the Black guy you work with a "nigger"?

"Freedom of Speech" does not justify or permit reckless endangerment, intimidation, or harrassment. Rights entail responsibilities. TSA personnel have to figure this out thousands of times a day, on the fly. You try it for a while, and then complain.

"Keep the Shiny side up"

Well, stated argument over this entire thread geezer. I thought this was just another 1st amendment invitational. It may have been, but seems you bought the bar.

AURAPTOR

Monday, October 2, 2006 2:06 AM

Has anyone of these so called 'violations of freedom' resulted in any of these folks getting audited by the IRS ?

That was a fav tactic of anyone speaking out against the Clintons.

But that was different, I suppose, huh?

When you stop crying wolf, come join the rest of the party.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

HARDWARE

Monday, October 2, 2006 2:43 AM

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Originally posted by Geezer:
So shouting "Fire!" in a crowded theater is OK? Or walking up to a policeman with a hand under your coat and yelling "I've got a gun and I'm gonna kill you"? Or jumping up out of your seat in an airliner an screaming "I've got a bomb and I'm going to blow you infidels up in the name of Allah"? Or being able to call the Black guy you work with a "nigger"?

"Freedom of Speech" does not justify or permit reckless endangerment, intimidation, or harrassment. Rights entail responsibilities. TSA personnel have to figure this out thousands of times a day, on the fly. You try it for a while, and then complain.

Nice straw man Geezer. Except each of these things you mention is a threat and the "confrontational message" was an opinion. Which government, even in the form of a low-level security wonk, is specifically forbidden to act against.

I used to respect your opinion and your arguments, but this one is so weak I suspect someone hacked your account.

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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Has anyone of these so called 'violations of freedom' resulted in any of these folks getting audited by the IRS ?

That was a fav tactic of anyone speaking out against the Clintons.

But that was different, I suppose, huh?

What it was is ancient history. Stop comparing the current administration to Clinton's. Raise the bar a little will you? If all you can say is Bush jr. is better than a sleazeball laywer from a state on the bottom rung of the educational ladder. Whoopdee-farking-doo! The president is supposed to represent the best and brightest of America, and here's a clue, shrub ain't even close.

What I really resent about the whole sorry, cluster fucked state of affairs of American politics since 9/11 is this; America is supposed to be the best. We're not supposed to be just a little better than the bad guys, we're supposed to be in a whole different league. We have let fear of some camel fucking backwards savages cow us and make us forget what America is all about.

You want to talk about dark days? How about right after Pearl Harbor? Everyone thought the Japanese were going to be landing on the west coast. Hitler was busy kicking England's ass all over the middle east and rolling up the Soviet army like it didn't exist. And we got sucker punched like some ignorant sod buster. Most of our fleet was sitting in the mud in a forward naval base and we had to figure out just how we were going to fight a war on two fronts, something which everyone who had tried to do had gotten their ass kicked over.

Don't even pretend to tell me Islamic militants pose a similar threat. And before someone trots out the tired old threat of terrorists getting their hand on a nuke and slipping it into our country, please, grow a pair of balls.

This is the United States. The ONLY country to have actually USED nukes. Not to mention there's more Americans in California and New York state than there is in the whole fucking middle east.

Now both sides of the aisle in Washington have conducted themselves like some crotch-grabbing, leg-humping drunks in a bar brawl. And I, for one, am sick of it. I'd like everyone of you, neo cons, liberals and moderates to get your head out of your ass, look at a little history and remember what you are supposed to be. Not some whiny little snot-nosed schoolchildren, but Americans. Stop screwing around, and screwing over the blue collars, white collars and anyone who's not a member of your country club.

And for God's sake somebody pick up the Constitution and wipe the mud off it.

The more I get to know people the more I like my dogs.

SERGEANTX

Monday, October 2, 2006 4:52 AM

Damn Hardware! say it loud!

SergeantX

"Dream a little dream or you can live a little dream. I'd rather live it, cause dreamers always chase but never get it." Aesop Rock

FREMDFIRMA

Monday, October 2, 2006 8:42 AM

Let me add a "HooRAH" of my own to that statement, Hardware.

-Frem

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Monday, October 2, 2006 8:58 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
I hardly know where to begin. Expression of a personal political opinion can be restricted at will by an untrained lowest level bureaucrat acting beyond the authority of his job. How long before someone wearing a " Sadam was not the problem" t-shirt; or an " I voted for Gore, it's not my fault" t-shirt; or or a "Hillary in '08" t-shirt , can be arrested at an airport; or outside a government office; or at a political rally?

Honestly, anyone wearing a "Hillary in '08" should be shot, not arrested. But your point still stands. And I think chrisisall said it best.

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Welcome to America, 2006, where it's almost 1984.

The problem is is that fewer and fewer people are willing to stand up and tell the government 'No, you've gone too far". We keep making concessions with the same excuse 'well, that's not that bad'. It won't be long until all those small little changes add up to the grand ass raping that I believe we all may recieve in our lifetimes. The FAA restrictions on personal hygene items and electronics was and is atrocious, a blatant violation of our personal rights. Did America say anything against it? No. Because a majority of Americans would rather feel safe than have freedom. It's bad, and it's just going to get worse, unless we do something.

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BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Monday, October 2, 2006 9:04 AM

Holy crap Hardware. I don't think I could have said it better even if I wrote it myself (I have a problem with becoming confrontational). It's too bad there aren't more people that think like you.

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6IXSTRINGJACK

Monday, October 2, 2006 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by NewOldBrownCoat:
Expression of a personal political opinion can be restricted at will by an untrained lowest level bureaucrat acting beyond the authority of his job. How long before someone wearing a " Sadam was not the problem" t-shirt; or an " I voted for Gore, it's not my fault" t-shirt; or or a "Hillary in '08" t-shirt , can be arrested at an airport; or outside a government office; or at a political rally?

Wow!... I don't know where to start. Kind of busy now so I cannot really read the whole thread at this moment but I feel like I'm at home.

Unfortunately, the more important question is one that seems so implausable to the blindly "patriotic" who mindlessly have faith in our government and the "Patriot" act, no matter what rights they take away in the interest of national and personal securities, and our "safety" and all of those other feel good words, regardless of which hand of the Devil's is running the show, the (R)epuglican or the (L)iberal.

How long after they start arresting us for public displays of dissention will they start going on line and finding all such blog posts, such as this, and arresting us for even typing things like this... or even more scary, how long afterwards will it be before they just say "

it" and just shoot first and ask questions later like they did at Kent State.

Our forefathers never said freedom will be easy. We must be vigilant and perserviere. They knew that times like these would come and they gave us the Constitution to protect us from our own government's corruption... the very piece of paper that the current Administration is pissing all over right in front of our faces and then telling us that it's for our own good. Don't get me wrong... I'm a bipartisan hater... Things wouldn't be any better with a Democrat in office, maybe they would on the surface, but our Government is very ill and needs a vaccine. the Republicrats are so deep in bed with each other, and big business, and the unconstitutional Federal Reserve (which uncoincidentally, isn't even a US institution), that they sometimes forget which side of the lie they're supposed to be promoting.

I won't step 1,000 feet within an airport... espcially without using the buddy system. I'll probably never be heard from again. I have little doubt in my mind that my end will come at a tragic "accident" or a "mysterious" kidnapping one day.

Why do you think they let these people in the country in the first place? Just add American hating Islamic extremists on our soil, a bombing of a world famous landmark, pervasive technology, paranoia, and a million and one PC laws via lawsuits.... now mix it all in a large bowl of bullshit and you've got yourself a country full of scared people who are willing to get barcodes tatooed on them and follow any promised savior, just like the Germans did to Adolph Hitler.

"A government is a body of people, usually notably ungoverned." http://www.myspace.com/6ixstringjack

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