Into the fire..Enjoy this ...Let the debate begin
POSTED BY: kaneman
UPDATED: Friday, September 29, 2006 02:25
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Infrared posted this link in talk story. Click on videos... Was late last night. I didn't know how to direct RWers to it...So I pirated it for you. It was pretty scary sh*t to me. Oh make sure to watch all three videos on left hand side of videos page. Should be a trailer than two others.
http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/
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"dedicated Christian Soliders in God's army." That scares me just as much as Islamic Terrorists! It would seem that the site you posted is advocating the same brand of religous justice as the Fundimentalist Islamic terrorist groups. (albeit probably to a lesser degree.(or not, I don't know)) Either way, I don't know if I want Religion stuffed in with American politics.
P.S. I feel a bit dirty from watching those movies.
P.P.S. This is why I usually stay out of the RWED threads, I tend to bable like a Moon-brain.
Fe'nos Tol
JOSSIS(Most Definitely)AGOD
Self appointed Forsaken! Been on the list for a while now!
98% of teens have smoked pot, if you are one of the 2% that haven't, copy this into your signature.
"Look at me, I'm STUPID!" The Doctor.
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Ain't news to me, I've dealt with these types for prettymuch all my life, which is cause and reason for my intense hostility to them.
-Frem
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i am noticing an ever increasing hostility towards christians.. hypocracy truly knows no bounds. Jesus says "do not judge, or you will be judged" and "with the measure you use, so to will it be given unto you" .. and "love your neighbor as yourself; for all the commandments are summed up in this one command; for love does no harm, therefore is the fullfillment of the Law" ... yet you all are so quick to judge us for our imperfections. are you all perfect? well we dont claim to be either.. but Jesus' says it best when he says
"why do you point out the speck in your brothers eye, yet fail to recognize the plank in your own? you hypocrite! first remove the plank from your own eye, then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers.."
man is inherintly imperfect..but recognizing those imperfections, exposing them, and humbling yourself to change for the better is all part of growing spiritually; that is all the bible can be asked to do. who are you to judge these people? atleast they are trying to spread a message of love and tolerance.. there are millions of other things we are exposed to on a daily basis which compromise and rob our spiritual nature.. like the degenerative immorality that the media exploits whoreshly, yet we never hear any complaints about those influences, its Jesus' that everyone has a problem with
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Stephen Colbert talks about this movie on the Colbert Report tonite (9/26). So watch the repeats tomorrow.
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I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.
Ghandi
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by antimason:
i am noticing an ever increasing hostility towards christians.. hypocracy truly knows no bounds. Jesus says "do not judge, or you will be judged" and "with the measure you use, so to will it be given unto you" .. and "love your neighbor as yourself; for all the commandments are summed up in this one command; for love does no harm, therefore is the fullfillment of the Law" ... yet you all are so quick to judge us for our imperfections. are you all perfect?
No, it would hypocritical if we were Christians and judging other people. If we're not Christians and judge Christians, that's just our point of view: we're not bound by your beliefs.
However, yes, the standard fundamentalist judgement on the world around them is hypocritical. The problem isn't with Jesus, it's with people like you.
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Anti, whether or not you like the fact, these intolerant, bigoted, racist fanatics are representing your belief system to others - and yes I know it's a distortion of that belief system, but AS IT IS PRACTICED, about 80% of the "Christians" I run into are like that, and thus, by their actions they define what the "Christian Belief" is, as a whole, in this country today.
Are their actions Christlike ?
Mayhaps, cause ole JC was NOT the nice guy you seem to think he was, hypocritical, tempermental, and on occasion downright nasty.
I have known devout people, in fact, since I deal with child-protection issues I run into a lot of devout folk, both fanatical and more reasonable, and since it is an issue that crosses all lines of belief, it's quite possible on my days off to see a couple of protestants, muslims, catholics, neopagans and at least one fairly mellow astaru sharing coffee and muffins with me while we discuss matters in a civil and logical fashion - so I know religion doesn't make people who practice it intolerant pyschotic nutwads.
But a lot of them who practice it ARE pyschotic nutwads and the greater majority of them are representative of what the Christian Belief System has become whether you like it or not - in fact if I held to the beliefs you do, I would be ashamed to call myself Christian, and would work at finding some better way to define the gulf between those who practice it in that manner, and how you practice it.
And like it or not, when someone tells me they are Christian, it does trigger a certain restrained hostility from me until they prove that they are NOT a rabid fundamentalist lunatic looking for some unbelievers to persecute, the actions of those who profess the belief as a general rule have lead to this.
Nothin against YOU mind, cause unlike the great majority of them you have actually READ the book, and have some understanding of it - not to say I agree with you cause I most certainly don't, but at least you understand the belief you hold.
Clear enough ?
-Frem
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Originally posted by antimason:
who are you to judge these people? atleast they are trying to spread a message of love and tolerance..
Unless you're gay, or Muslim, or... or not the same type of Christian.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Quote:
Originally posted by antimason:
i am noticing an ever increasing hostility towards christians.. hypocracy truly knows no bounds. Jesus says "do not judge, or you will be judged" and "with the measure you use, so to will it be given unto you" .. and "love your neighbor as yourself; for all the commandments are summed up in this one command; for love does no harm, therefore is the fullfillment of the Law" ... yet you all are so quick to judge us for our imperfections. are you all perfect? well we dont claim to be either.. but Jesus' says it best when he says
"why do you point out the speck in your brothers eye, yet fail to recognize the plank in your own? you hypocrite! first remove the plank from your own eye, then you can see clearly to remove the speck from your brothers.."
man is inherintly imperfect..but recognizing those imperfections, exposing them, and humbling yourself to change for the better is all part of growing spiritually; that is all the bible can be asked to do. who are you to judge these people? atleast they are trying to spread a message of love and tolerance.. there are millions of other things we are exposed to on a daily basis which compromise and rob our spiritual nature.. like the degenerative immorality that the media exploits whoreshly, yet we never hear any complaints about those influences, its Jesus' that everyone has a problem with
I don't think there is an increasing hostility towards Christians, but an increasing hostility toward Christian power and a growing intolerance of intolerance.
We often are not given examples of the hard working, humble Christians going about their day doing unto others. Instead, like in most other circumstances, it's the activists who get the ink.
And the activists are scary as Hell (see link above)! Their goal is not to quietly worship and live their lives, but it is to convert the rest of us. A noble goal? Perhaps. But it's not something we have asked for.
And when all else fails and they cannot convert us through threats of fire, brimstone, and eternal damnation, they get the feds involved and try to legislate their faith. They try to legislate their bigotry. They try to force schools to teach our children their creation myth. They try to force schools to make our children pray to their God. All the while complaining of being some oppressed minority. Ignoring the fact that they make up over 80% of the population (in the States).
How are we supposed to react? Should we ignore the Christian's ever increasing influence on our lives? Non-Christians are being forced into a corner and they will inevitably fight back.
Meh, it's no way to run an airline...
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