Will the Next Election Be Hacked?
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Righteous9 wrote:
Monday, September 25, 2006 06:33
Quit spewing bullshit auraptor. It's not the democratic election boards that have been the problem.
I had to point that out to you on another thread about ohio and of course you ignored it, but at least find a new lie.
The point about Buchanon is that he got a disproportionate ammount of votes in a democratic voting area where he didn't campaign, and even he, kooky conservative that he is, was willing to see the screw-up there.
That's a lame way to judge somebody's intelligence by the way. It has no more basis than me saying anybody who voted for Bush is too incompitent to be given the right to vote.
So first you guys had to go back to 1996...now we have to go all the way back to 1960? Next you're going to be screaming about the pictograms on cave walls, that prove beyond a doubt democratic voter fraud is a problem.
Sorry brain donor, but you didn't do any such thing. Fact is, it IS the duty of the local election committee to fix their own problems. But, in CLASSIC liberal style, you prefer to lay the burden solving your own problems on anyone else BUT those responsible. Again, you being wrong is NOT a case of someone else 'lying'. A 3 yr old knows better, but somehow you don't.
Also, about those pin headed voters who 'claim' they really voted for Gore, but then were so suddenly sure their vote ended up being for Buchanan. So sorry Granny, but if you were that certain about your own screw up AFTER you submitted your ballot, you'd have been more awake while voting in the 1st place. Rules are printed plainly there for all to see, or if you can't read the damn thing, a poll worker will READ to you what it says. Same rules apply to everyone. You're nothing special. Tough nugggets.
There's nothing in the least bit 'lame' about using that very valid example to show the lack of intelligence for an idiot who can't follow simple directions. Even an imbecile knows enough to ask a question, HOW DO I .... , even if the task asking them to " punch hole by name of person you're voting for " is suddenly all that more daunting than it was the last time they voted.
Then there was the U.S. Civil Rights commission hearings which couldn't find one single black voter who could say that he or she was kept from the polls and denied their right to cast their vote. NOT ONE! To this very day neither Florida nor national Democrats have been able to produce one single black Floridian who was denied their opportunity to cast a legal vote during in the 2000 election. Such fairy tales and mythology by the Democrat's cries to the contrary only gave rise to Kerry's * Election Day Manuel which tells Democrats to lie - "If no signs of intimidation techniques have emerged yet, launch a 'pre-emptive strike.'" Basically telling folks to ' spread rumors of voter intimidation events which never have occurred. Just assume it's happening, because America is racist anyway, and that justifies your lying for the greater good.'
* http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc66.htm
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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Well, there's your one verifiable case: Willie Steen.
Sorry, but there's still nothing about that case to suggest he wasn't allowed to vote because he was black .
Despite the specious claims by The Nation ( yeah, there's an objective source ) ....
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(My copy of Harris's (sic) list includes an ex-con named O'Steen, close enough to cost Willie Steen his vote.)
Errors and problems in the voting proceedure do not imply intent. Every state has its own problems, and Florida's wasn't any worse than any other state's.
For christ's sake...it's 2006. Turn the friggen page.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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As usual Auraptor you don't know WTF you're talkin' about. (Nothing new!) The company that drew up the FLA list (which was eventually bought out by Choice Point) warned Katherine Harris by letter that the match criteria were overly broad and scooping up too many people. Harris told the company bascially damn the torpedoes, she would take the responsibility. So I think she should be charged.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Such disdain for your fellow human beings Auraptor.
I will say that I don't think you're an idiot. On the other hand, intelligent people aren't neccesarily right more often than other people, they're just a hell of a lot better at rationalizing their position to themselves, right or wrong.
I'm not sure why you wouldn't want people's actual intentions to be heard on eleciton day, and I'm not sure why it should matter whether you think a person dumb or slow or senile, when judging if a person deserves a vote on election day, unless you're an elitist of the ilk that doesn't really believe in democracy - I don't think you need to answer that.
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I'll point out again that the election board in Chayahoga County, where much of the alleged voter suppresion took place was Republican dominated, so please at least patch that hole in your argument if you want to continue to fly your hot air baloon in the real world.
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Auraptor --- the measures of that preemptive strike are clearly laid out in the manual and all have to do with protecting the voters in that election.
None of the items in the proposed press release suggest making shit up. So where's your beef? with what line? just 'preemptive strike?' hehe, how weird that that phrase would offend a Bush apologist.
Here are the items the DNC wanted to be addressed.
i. Reviewing Republican tactic [sic] issued in the past in your area or state
ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting
Prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points
Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics
Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or about what will happen at the polls
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And the hits just keep on coming...
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/09/26/us/politics/26voting.html?_r=1&ref=w
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"Stricter Voting Laws Carve Latest Partisan Divide"
Some interesting quotes from the story:
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Republicans say the laws are needed to combat fraud, especially among illegal immigrants. Democrats say there is minimal fraud, if any, and accuse Republicans of suppressing the votes of those least likely to have the required documentation — minorities, the poor and the elderly — who tend to vote for Democrats.
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Daniel J. Parker, chairman of the state Democratic Party, said: “Close to 10 percent of registered voters here do not have driver’s licenses. Who does that impact most? Seniors and minorities.”
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“Democrats believe they represent stupid people who are not smart enough to vote,” said Randy Pullen, a Republican national committeeman from Arizona who championed a statewide initiative on the new requirements. “I do not.”
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There is no data, however, to show more than isolated instances of so-called impostor voting by illegal immigrants or others.
Experts in election law say most voter fraud involves absentee balloting, which is unaffected by the new photo identification laws. Few people, they say, will risk a felony charge to vote illegally at the polls, and few illegal immigrants want to interact with government officials — even people running a polling place.
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Of Arizona’s 2.7 million registered voters, 238 were believed to have been noncitizens in the last 10 years; only 4 were believed to have voted; and none were impostors, plaintiffs stipulate in their lawsuit to overturn the law, statistics the state has not challenged.
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It was during a registration drive at her assisted-living center, Desert Palms, that Mrs. Steele learned she could not vote. Disabled, with a son, an Army staff sergeant, on active duty, she left Missouri recently to stay with her brother and subsequently moved into the center.
Lacking a driver’s license, she could get a new state identity card, but she said she had neither the $12 to pay for it nor, because she uses a wheelchair, the transportation to pick it up.
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
Sorry, but there's still nothing about that case to suggest he wasn't allowed to vote because he was black.
Well, you didn't say because they were black. You said:
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What pisses me off about that is all the lies and false allegations the Dems raised about blacks being kept from voting. Not a single case was verified. Not one. Yet the rumors and mythology continue on in the media as if they were true.
You said it was false that blacks were kept from voting. They clearly were.
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Despite the specious claims by The Nation ( yeah, there's an objective source ) ....
Now, that IS a fair criticism. In that spirit, maybe you shouldn't cite The Drudge Report.
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Such disdain for your fellow human beings Auraptor.
I will say that I don't think you're an idiot. On the other hand, intelligent people aren't neccesarily right more often than other people, they're just a hell of a lot better at rationalizing their position to themselves, right or wrong.
I'm not sure why you wouldn't want people's actual intentions to be heard on eleciton day, and I'm not sure why it should matter whether you think a person dumb or slow or senile, when judging if a person deserves a vote on election day, unless you're an elitist of the ilk that doesn't really believe in democracy - I don't think you need to answer that.
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I'll point out again that the election board in Chayahoga County, where much of the alleged voter suppresion took place was Republican dominated, so please at least patch that hole in your argument if you want to continue to fly your hot air baloon in the real world.
What good does it do to have folks voting when they don't even know what the hell they're voting for or HOW to vote? There's a REASON why we don't let children vote, because we assume that adults will have the intellect and ability to choose on their own.
And what the hell is Cayahoga Co. have to do w/ anything ? I was talking Florida and you're talking Ohio. And there you go again, with the false premise that it was 'voter supression'. The very language you use is biased, or do you not see that ?
Quote:WRONG - It SPECIFICALLY states that voters should whip up controversy where none exists. It's poisoning the well by flatly stating voter intimidation WILL be out there, so be ready for a fight. How about ' Go to your poll, vote, go home. '. But no, the Dems can't allow for that. There MUST be civil unrest. WHY? It fits the Dems's template that America IS racists, and we're no better off now than we were in the 1920's. THAT is pattently BULLSHIT!
Auraptor --- the measures of that preemptive strike are clearly laid out in the manual and all have to do with protecting the voters in that election.
None of the items in the proposed press release suggest making shit up. So where's your beef? with what line? just 'preemptive strike?' hehe, how weird that that phrase would offend a Bush apologist.
Quote:No mention of Democrat tactics, such as trying to convince voters in Texas that Bush's Texas was responsible for the dragging death of James Byrd, a black man. Fact is, Bush's Judicial system put to death 2 of the 3 men involved, and the 3rd man got sentenced to life in prison.
Here are the items the DNC wanted to be addressed.
i. Reviewing Republican tactic issued in the past in your area or state
Quote:Basically stating the the NAACP and the DNC are one in the same.
ii. Quoting party/minority/civil rights leadership as denouncing tactics that discourage people from voting
Quote:There is no 'issue' here, but the ones which are being fabricated by the Dem party. These race warlords are masters at self fulfilling prophecies, because they are the ones behind the so called 'crisis'. With out a crisis, they're out of a job. THINK ABOUT IT.
Prime minority leadership to discuss the issue in the media; provide talking points
Place stories in which minority leadership expresses concern about the threat of intimidation tactics
Quote:Basically try to blackmail local papers, as Jessie Jackson does with his Rainbow Push thugs.
Warn local newspapers not to accept advertising that is not properly disclaimed or that contains false warnings about voting requirements and/or about what will happen at the polls
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Okay, if you're speaking specifically about Florida then why are you talkinga about the DNC manual? But fine, reserve my example for another day, and respond to the example SYGM gave on Florida - not interested? surprise surprise.
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Your smearing of the DNC as basically fabricating complaints of voter suppresion was a false premise, and way too easy to disprove. There's plenty of evidence to support voter suppresion in Ohio. If that evidence is bunk, it should be just as easy for you to disprove it.
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Originally posted by Righteous9:
Okay, if you're speaking specifically about Florida then why are you talkinga about the DNC manual? But fine, reserve my example for another day, and respond to the example SYGM gave on Florida - not interested? surprise surprise.
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Your smearing of the DNC as basically fabricating complaints of voter suppresion was a false premise, and way too easy to disprove. There's plenty of evidence to support voter suppresion in Ohio. If that evidence is bunk, it should be just as easy for you to disprove it.
Per Kerry's pamphlet, I was showing a pattern of deceit by the DNC.
You simply stating that there was plenty of evidencde of voter supression in Ohio doesn't make it so. You'll excuse me if I don't buy your word or that of Robert F Kennedy Jr.
Sigym gave nothing but him saying that Katherine Harris said something. No citing of a source. I won't waste my time on innuendo.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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