Male and Female Imponderables--Delicate Sound of Thunder
POSTED BY: Tristan
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 27, 2006 15:41
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That's kinda funny, I'm the exact opposite! My doc tested me for a thyroid problem when I first presented with my symptoms. He was 99% sure it was depression since there's a history of it in my family and no history of thyroid problems, but since my voice had become a bit deeper he wanted to rule it out. The symptoms are really, similar, so it's not surprising thyroid problems get misdiagnosed a lot.
EDIT: Replying to CaliforniaKaylee as, sadly, I am not the exact opposite of ditzy 

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Yeah but we're not sure I'm pregnant and the absentminded is definitely due to my well diagnosed ADD...I've been all my life and been treated for it for 15 years :)
Oh the most horrible thought occured. I am already daffy brained without my ritalin, what if being pregnant makes it worse...oh that would be bad, very very bad. Ok and define dizzy Mavoureen..and while we're at it, just exactly what is morning sickness like???
I choose to rise instead of fall- U2

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Oh MSG. (Pats on shoulder)
Anxiety ain't gonna help. Just relax. You sound like most guys on their wedding days. 
Funny. When I was the best man at my buddy's wedding his dad mentioned that I looked more nervous than he (My bud) did. Almost forgot the gorram ring. Thats a bit wierd. And funny.
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Oh that so reminds me of a story from John. On his wedding day he decides to play a trick on his bride to be. He has his best man call her up and ask if she has seen John. ( thinking of course that this will scare the daylights out of her and she'll think he's bailed or something) The funny part is she's so busy stressing about her hair and what if it rains and all that she's not really paying attention says no and goes merrily on her way prepping for her wedding day totally unfazed...
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Well, this topic certainly took on a mind of it's own.
I'm glad to see so many people considering both sides of this, although I can't help but feel my point was lost. The point being that perhaps the conditions we diagnose people with having as a result of an abusive childhood is what we're supposed to be like. Maybe the real "conditions" are in the people who weren't abused. I have no real basis for this, other than several centuries of human history, but even that is open to interpretation I guess. Oh well, if no one wants to explore that subject...
Might I bring up a related subject? Rites of passage. Nearly every culture has had them, and they used to be a very important part of regulating society. A boy wasn't a man until he'd done this, and a girl wasn't a women until she'd done that. Beyond a lack of discipline in youth, I think that another reason rebellion has become a fad is because there's no more prestige, no clearly defined cultural acceptance of one passing into adulthood.
The foundations of life, hunting, wilderness survival, fighting, enduring, seem to have received a great deal of disliking from the more "liberally inclined" as relics of savage times, while hazing rituals like drinking games and tantalization have become the sorry excuse for passage into social circles. I for one think that this is very unfortunate.
Humans should hold on dearly to the skills handed down to them by their forbearers, because no nation or government or society is made to last forever. We will have to return to those skills someday for some reason. That we have no more rites of passage, rites where we have taken those skills and apply them to a real life or death situation that we've entered into voluntarily, is deeply regrettable for humanity as a whole.
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"Pain is your friend, it is your ally. It will keep you awake, and angry, and remind you to finish the mission and get the hell home. But you know the best thing about pain? It let's you know that you're not dead yet."
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Also, DesktopHippie, You don't feel as if maybe you're a little bit weaker for having taken the drugs to solve your problem? Please, I'm really not trying to insult you here, just asking a seriouse question.
Like, if you ever have those problems again, because you haven't learned to cope with them by yourself, that you'll be a little dependent on an anti-depressent? In the long run, might there also be genetic problems with this? I don't know exactly how genetics work in reproduction, but wouldn't a line of people who were dependent on the same drug eventually create a genetic dependence on that same thing?
I was perscribed anti-depressents as well, and I refused to take them. Of course, I lied about that, but the doctor and my parents both agreed that these drugs that I hadn't been taking were "working". So I really feel as if I solved my issues without the help of medication... but then, I'm sure many people on this forum would argue if I've actually solved those issues.
Anyways, food for thought.
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"Pain is your friend, it is your ally. It will keep you awake, and angry, and remind you to finish the mission and get the hell home. But you know the best thing about pain? It let's you know that you're not dead yet."
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John as in the Book of John? 
Okay, so here's a small peeve of mine. Please take no offense ladies as I am but a man and occasionally know not what I do.
So most women, regardless of age and society, that I have been graced enough to communicate with do this thing.
Talking about folks of which I have no idea who they are.
"So Suzy kicked Bill square in the junk. He fell like a ton of bricks right into a pile of Sam's dog Fuzzy's crap. You know, the Pomeranian she got from Ted's sister Mabel, (whispers), the one with the crooked eye. So he went to Doctor Sham's and was told he actually had three testicles. I wondered why Helen called him Thrice,"
Okay, so the story is quite funny. Or, at least to my childish mind. But who the Fudge are these people?
Okay, rant done (for now). Just wondering why some women are inclined to do this.
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Originally posted by msg:
Ok and define dizzy Mavoureen..and while we're at it, just exactly what is morning sickness like???
I was ditzy...not dizzy! LOL. I would forget everything, had to write everything down - info went in one ear and out the other. A total bubble brain. Like an auburn, slightly zaftig Jessica Simpson.
No wait. I think I just insulted myself.
Can't comment on morning sickness. I had one, only one moment where I said to my self "I think I'm gonna be sick" and then it passed. However, I have friends who were struck so bad that the moment they woke up they ate saltines kept at their bedside to help prevent nausea before they sat up.
I think its like food poisoning. It hits suddenly and violently, and then its gone.
Don't stress about things like this until you know there's a Mr&MsG combo pack in the oven.
*Mav shakes fertilty god Kokopelli towards the West*
"Have you ever been with a Warrior Woman?"
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Mrand MSG combo pack. HA! Thats too funny. (Jots down in memory for future refeance)
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Originally posted by ChrisMoorhead:
Also, DesktopHippie, You don't feel as if maybe you're a little bit weaker for having taken the drugs to solve your problem? Like, if you ever have those problems again, because you haven't learned to cope with them by yourself, that you'll be a little dependent on an anti-depressent?
Short answer - Nope.
Long answer - I didn't have problems. I hadn't suffered a traumatic event or broken up with a guy or lost my puppy or suffered anything. Well, okay I had in the past, same as just about everyone does. This thing came out of nowhere and hit me like a tonne of bricks. No event in my life brought it on. Like I said, now I have to be wary when something does happen, as it could trigger it again, and then I take steps so I won't need to take meds. Bad stuff has happened since - some really crappy stuff - and I haven't needed to go back on meds. Hopefully I never will.
But if I do need to be medicated again, I won't feel weak about it. No one thinks you're weak if you take pain medication for a broken leg. No one thinks you're weak if you have chemotherapy to treat cancer. But if it's a psychological condition suddenly it's "Oh, you don't need meds! You just need to be stronger!" and franky, that's bull. There are psychological conditions that need meds and psychological conditions that don't. Mine does, when it's severe enough. And ~please~ bear in mind this is coming from a Hippie who is all about the sharing and not so keen on the pharmacuetical industry.
I got sick. That wasn't my fault. There was nothing I could have done to prevent it and I did what I needed to do to make it better. Taking medication of any kind isn't a source of shame. It's the sensible thing to do in a lot of situations. Yes, I'm very aware that people are misdiagnosed and wrongfully medicated and I am *hugely* opposed to kids being given medication just to make them behave in class - and please bear in mind that I'm a teacher a well as a Hippie! I know those things happen, and I know they're wrong, but I also know that people go to the other extreme and assume that any psychological medication is just messing with your mind and you can get better by yourself. That kind of thinking leads to people with horrific conditions like manic depression and schizophrenia living apalling lives when they should be supported and given the chance to live normal lives.
Are there genetic problems? Not with the meds I took, and I didn't have to take them long term anyway, so they got out of my system fairly quickly. And seriously, as someone who has suffered from depression yourself you should be aware that when you're in the grips of a depressive episode, reproduction is ~really~ not an issue!

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