...I get it!!

POSTED BY: Crossbow
UPDATED: Sunday, April 4, 2004 02:42
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CROSSBOW

Sunday, February 1, 2004 10:44 PM

Loved the two-part opener. It beautifully mixes character and action. One scene didn't make any sense to me at the time. It took four or five viewings before I got it:
Right after Simon tells Rivers story in the mess hall, Mal leaves and Simon confronts him in the corridor. Simon basically calls Mal an alliance stooge and gets decked. The scene finishes off Jayne saying "I could see that comin.."

I think the giveaway is Jayne. If the "dumb" guy saw it coming surely the top 3% guy did too.
Simon needed to know if Mal would turn he and River over to the feds, so he pushed Mal's buttons...
and a hard right cross says alot about where a man stands.
What a great show.
Crossbow

"But she was NA-KED... and all articlate"

INEVITABLEBETRAYAL

Sunday, February 1, 2004 10:50 PM

Don't think that's it at all, if you'll pardon my sayin so. Simon didn't know Mal at all, nor any of his history. So he probably really thought that Mal would turn him and River over to the Feds. On the other hand, Jayne, who may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, does know Mal, so would know that being accused of being Alliance would be mighty unsettling to the Captain.

Them's my two cents...

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MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Sunday, February 1, 2004 11:00 PM

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Originally posted by InevitableBetrayal:
Don't think that's it at all, if you'll pardon my sayin so. Simon didn't know Mal at all, nor any of his history. So he probably really thought that Mal would turn him and River over to the Feds. On the other hand, Jayne, who may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, does know Mal, so would know that being accused of being Alliance would be mighty unsettling to the Captain.

I can see both arguments, and since it scans all ways (it shows something about the captain's character as well as being funny), cool. I like the theory that Simon goaded Mal into hitting him, but I agree he didn't know enough to draw the conclusion.

"I threw up on your bed"

CROSSBOW

Sunday, February 1, 2004 11:07 PM

Don't mind you sayin'. Simon didn't know Mal, right but down in the cargo hold when the fed draws a gun on the both of them (and Mel doesn't have his best day ever) he comically asks "is there a reward"?
So all Simon knows about the captain is that he'd look for a "pat on the head" from a fed... turn them in (prison for Simon, worse for River).
I find the stuff that Joss writes can often have different interpretations... its why its so fun.
Crossbow

JAGGEDSEVEN

Monday, February 2, 2004 8:40 AM

I think the reason why Jayne saw it comin is because he has instincts that Simon doesn't have. Simon may be real smart, but he's not used to dealing with people who deck you for steppin out of line. Jayne is, by his lifestyle.

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MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Monday, February 2, 2004 10:56 PM

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Originally posted by JaggedSeven:
I think the reason why Jayne saw it comin is because he has instincts that Simon doesn't have. Simon may be real smart, but he's not used to dealing with people who deck you for steppin out of line. Jayne is, by his lifestyle.

I figured it was simply because Jayne knew enough about Mal to know he might not take kindly to someone calling him Alliance.

True though, Simon clearly doesn't have the instincts to notice when the hole is deep enough and he should stop - else he and Kaylee might have locked lips before the show got cancelled.

"I threw up on your bed"

CROSSBOW

Tuesday, February 3, 2004 3:37 AM

Very true. Simon doesn't doesn't get into situations where violence may be the outcome (the scene taking place prior to the killing of the fed in the cargo hold)
That thought plays out in one of the last lines when Simon asks "How do I put this delicately... Would you kill me in my sleep?" I guess he's still trying to get the measure of Malcolm Reynolds.

Crossbow

Juuust sit right back and you'll hear a tale,
A tale of fateful trip. That started from Persephone, aboard this tiny ship!

The mate was a mighty flyin' man. The skipper brave and sure.
Nine passengers took off that day for a three hour tour...A three hour tour.

The mighty verse started getting rough, the tiny ship was tossed. If not for the courage of the fearless crew, Serenity would be lost!

The ship's astrife on the shores of this everlasting space
With- Kaywinnet Lee, the Skipper too
The pilot, and his wife
The Companion, and, River Tam
Here on a Firefly!!

ok...time for my medication :}

NEROLI

Tuesday, February 3, 2004 10:39 AM

My first post here, and of course I am defending Jayne..LOL

Seems to me that it makes PERFECT sense that Jayne sees trouble coming and Simon does not. Simon may be all sorts of book smart but is greatly lacking in street smarts, where as Jayne is the opposite. Though Simon does seem to show some improvement in later episodes and likely would have shown even more as he gained exeriance in the "real world".

That said, I am not entirely convinced Jayne is all that dumb. For one thing, it is hinted at that he is a skilled tracker which requires a certain amount of observation, and on a subject he gets passionate about he shows an ability to become quite knowledgeable (like guns). It is certainly true he lacked much schooling but to me he seems more like a kid that has a learning disability and was told a few times too often that he was stupid and came to believe it himself so stopped trying to learn.

CALHOUN

Tuesday, February 3, 2004 11:22 AM

I think its obvious that Jayne wasnt burdened with an over-abundance of schoolin. Still, he's my kind of stupid :)

AURAPTOR

Wednesday, February 4, 2004 1:01 AM

Ok, lets not make this any more complicated than it is. Mal fought in the war, against the Alliance,the Feds, what ever. Jayne knows this. Jayne also knows that about the worst thing anyone can do is to accuse Mal of being a faithful dog of the Alliance and taking a ' pat on the head'. Simon has no idea how much Mal hates the Alliance, so when he,( Simon )makes such a wise crack to Mal.... yeah, even Jayne could see THAT comin'.

OK, so NOW do we get it ???

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