What are your *least* favorite Firefly moments?
POSTED BY: Okkay
UPDATED: Saturday, February 14, 2004 16:39
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For me, one of my least favourite moments is at the end of Our Mrs. Reynolds, when Mal strikes Saffron when he's straddling her.
I know she tried to kill them all, etc. But to me, there was something really disturbing about him hitting her in a non- self-defense situation.
And also, after watching the entire series, perhaps out of character for him. But maybe that was the point. Still didn't care for it much though.
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Originally posted by Samus:
For me, one of my least favourite moments is at the end of Our Mrs. Reynolds, when Mal strikes Saffron when he's straddling her.
I think of it like this: Saffron's got Mal's shuttle, and Mal doesn't want her trying to kill him while he's retrieving said shuttle. So he puts her off her guard with a personal question and clocks her to knock her out. It's probably the best thing he could do in the situation.
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Originally posted by Saint Jayne:
It's probably the best thing he could do in the situation.
I don't necessarily disagree - two episodes have shown that Saffron is dangerous & not to be trusted.
But it's just like someone else said above re: Early/Kaylee and the threatened rape - it just pushes my buttons.
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I know she tried to kill them all, etc. But to me, there was something really disturbing about him hitting her in a non- self-defense situation.
But when Mal shoves Crow into the engine, that was pure hilarity.
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Dear Saint Jayne,
Yeah, how could that little whore go on betraying the Heart of Gold for him after he humiliates her publicly like that? I'm assuming he has her perform fellatio on him right there and then, that's certainly what we're meant to think is possible. In fact, her whole motivation is a mystery, cause the guy she's moling for is such an obvious jerk and asshole, how can she trust him? But, as others have posted, there are more than a few problems with this episode. Not the least of which was that even Joss Whedon couldn't overcome the television inertia that demanded if somebody other than the hero's love interest has a meaningful sexual encounter with the hero, then she must die. Unless she's a recurring character and the show is more soap opera than anything else. The minute it was obvious Mal was going to bed her, I knew she was going to die, but because it was Joss, I kept my fingers crossed. Some conventions are too strong to be broken, I guess 
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Originally posted by Amanda4u:
Ok, you guys, did any of you watch those epidodes with the commentary on? With the pilot episode, Inara bathing was artistic.
With the OiS Kallie rape thing, it was Early's intimidation of Kallie, so that she wouldn't get in his way.
Gorramit, I should have read to the end of the thread before beginning my replies - you covered all my points far too well.
"I threw up on your bed"
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Originally posted by slayer730:
Amanda4U, I understand where you are coming from. I understand that Early was trying to intimidate Kaylee and keep her quiet. It just seems like a completely over the top and unnecessary way to do it. He had a gun, it would have been enough to scare the go se out of Kaylee(especially since we've seen how "adept" she is at gunplay).
That for me was one of the best written episodes of TV I have seen in a while, in terms of what it said in the time it had.
Some people have been posting about Early's threat to Kaylee being about getting a rise from the viewers (I put that deliberately mildly), but that's not really the case.
Early's threat is meant to get a response from Kaylee. As JW says in the commentary, he is the epitome of evil. Its like a malevolent Night Before Christmas in some ways - Evil visiting Firefly.
Early could have killed Kaylee to make sure she didn't run off or warn anyone, but in part that wasn't his nature (not mercy, but the fact that he did things clean - just what he would be paid for, at least in his mind). His threat had to be so terrifying, so believable, that it would cause a resourceful and courageous young woman to forget that she could just find a tool and get away. Of course, the fact that *he* was there in the first place pretty much did the majority of the job.
The threat wasn't gratuitous or unecessary, it made total sense in the context. Obviously, the effect of the scene is to cause emotion in the viewer, but that's the strength of the writing (and acting).
As an example of the reverse, and hence my least favourite scene - its the deleted scene from Serenity where Simon reads up on the Battle of Serenity - it smacks of info-dump and does not makes sense from the character. Then again, given that may have been part of the reason it was cut, I can't really complain.
"I threw up on your bed"
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Well, I have a few responses to be made.
Regarding Early threatening to rape Kaylee... well, do you really think that bounty hunters are awesome people? Early was one of the best bounty hunters I've ever seen, he was BELIEVABLE. He must've spent weeks alone on his ship, all in order to hunt down people who break the law. This isn't the job for a normal person. He KNOWS how to keep people out of his way. We can all see he isn't normal ;)
About the editting in the opening scene, I liked it. I too thought it was a glitch at first, but it grew on me. Makes the show stand out more ;)
Okay, on to the few things that I didn't like. 1) A few of the voice overs I can hear (eg: Mal saying "The woods are the only place I can see a clear path". It sticks out to me every time)
2) When Zoe does that little somersault, pulls out her dual pistols, and kills someone in "War Stories". I just never liked that part...
One part some people might not like it the "Three buttons" that Wash is always hitting. For me, it just gives me something to look out for ;) *click click click* ah HA! lol :)
"I do the job... and then I get paid. Go run your little world."
-Malcolm Reynolds
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Well, I'm sorry I brought the Early/Kaylee thing up...if I knew people were going to so vehemently defend its validity, I wouldn't have offered my opinion. I'm not trying to convince anyone that it was the worst moment, just that it was my least favorite.
I tend to agree with Caitlyn though - it's an sensitive issue with me which is why I felt it was too far. I felt the same way with the bathroom scene between Buffy and Spike.
I will never be comfortable with the threat or the act of rape onscreen and that's why I chose it as MY least favorite moment. It may have its merit, but it was it was the least favorite and most uncomfortable moment for me.
***Never judge a book by its movie***
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Originally posted by slayer730:
Well, I'm sorry I brought the Early/Kaylee thing up...if I knew people were going to so vehemently defend its validity, I wouldn't have offered my opinion.
Valid opinion - not much point in having forums unless people are going to offer them.
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I tend to agree with Caitlyn though - it's an sensitive issue with me which is why I felt it was too far. I felt the same way with the bathroom scene between Buffy and Spike.
(editted for my choice of words)
I agree with that scene - and partly with me that's to do with the fact that I didn't "want" the character to do that. Whether it was valid within the arc of Spike is open to debate. IMO it was a misstep, and does leave me a little uncomfortable about the character as a whole.
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I will never be comfortable with the threat or the act of rape onscreen and that's why I chose it as MY least favorite moment. It may have its merit, but it was it was the least favorite and most uncomfortable moment for me.
Fair point - certainly my response was on the basis of the scene's validity and purpose - the general basis of the discussion has been on "bad" scenes, but yours is an interesting and valid variation.
"I threw up on your bed"
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