What are your *least* favorite Firefly moments?
POSTED BY: Okkay
UPDATED: Saturday, February 14, 2004 16:39
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Originally posted by Fortunatus:
My absolute least favorite bit occurs in Our Mrs. Reynolds. Saffron has married Mal and is aboard Serenity doing her innocent act. Then, the ship passes the guys who fry crews and steal their ships. These guys talk about whether or not Serenity's worth taking, and decide to steal her. Then, later on, it turns out that Saffron was working with them?! Why the heck would they bicker over stealing Serenity if Saffron had already boarded her with the purpose of guiding her into the ship-frying net? That's bugged me ever since the first time it was aired.
Well Saffron would just board the first ship she came across and guide it to the pirates she's loosely associated with. Once it passes through the net, however, they still have to go through all the work of rewiring the ship, throwing out corpses, selling/using it, etc., which they wouldn't be willing to do for your average ultra-crappy starship.
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One pet peeve moment:
In "Bushwacked," when Mal and Zoe are going into the derelict for the first time, Mal says, "entering adjoining airlock." Can't say as I can rightly picture Mal saying "adjoining" as a rule. Sounds like residual Sigh Figh speak (don't flame me; I'm a die-hard SF [no, not 'die, hard SF'] fan), as writers nestled into the 'verse.
Not a big bug, but it does itch some every time I see it.
Keep flyin'
Department of Redundancy Department
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Originally posted by Okkay:
One reason that The Message has always bugged me was that the whole episode could have been resolved peacefully if Mal just *explained* to Tracey that their plan wasn't to turn him over to the cop. He didn't have to keep the plan secret, but he did, there was a big misunderstanding, and bad things happened because of it, and Tracey died. Yes, the episode needed Tracy to die, but they way it happened just bugs me every time.
While these are good hits, but I have to speak in Mal's defense. A firefight is not the time or place for a civilized debate. You either trust your commanding officer or you don't.
The Captain may know things and reasons why your plan won't work, or is too risky, and simply is not at liberty to say at that moment, or you got rogue federal lawmen blowing holes in your ship. Either way, Captains are not in the habit, nor can they get in the habit of, explaining each and every order they give.
Without a hierarchal command structures, a military unit cannot function as a team, but becomes more a mob, easy to pick off and kill.
What got Tracy killed was his lack of trust in Mal, (and possibly Book). Granted, Mal has to think of the ship and his crew first, and Tracy would naturally be a secondary consideration. But still, as Captain, it is the Captain's call. And Captains cannot have that kind of insubordination especially with federal agents shooting at them.
In a way, Tracy was tested, and failed miserably. Military life does not require unquestioned obeidence, but it does require respect and trust in one's commanding officer, and the maturity to recognize when is, and is not, a good time to question the Captain's authority, or his tactics.
Tracy killed himself. Mal just held the bullet for a while.
"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"
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Originally posted by slayer730:
My least favorite Firefly moment would have to be Jubel Early threatening to rape Kaylee. I think it was not only offensive, but completely unnecessary.
Would agree here. That is my least favorite. And one of the reasons why I think Jubal is space trash, stuck on the bottom of the next ship that passed by.
Now, as far as drama goes, it does work. And remember, Jubal is a bit of a sick bastard to begin with, but also he needs her to be quiet and still. Scaring her nearly to death is an effective tactic at ensuring her cooperation.
"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"
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The only thing that bugs me is the use of present day weapons. 500 years in the future and they still use .45's? I wouldn't think that it would have cost too much to fancify the weapons like they did with Mals.
Yep. That went well.
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My theory on the firearms situation is this. . .
You notice the Federal Marshals, the Alliance troops, those guys, they carry the cool, futuristic-type guns. . .it's mostly on the frontier worlds that you see the 'older' weapons. . .the ones from OUR era.
The way I see it is. . .a good old slug-thrower will never be obsolete. It's suggested in the show that laser weapons, while powerful, are impractical on the frontier because of the power requirements ('check battery'). Slug throwers are cheap, easy to repair, and it's easy to make your own ammo as well. It might not cost that much to 'fancify' the weapons, but I imagine the question they asked was, "why pay for it at all, when the differences wouldn't be signifigant?"
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Originally posted by Drakon:
I have to speak in Mal's defense. A firefight is not the time or place for a civilized debate. You either trust your commanding officer or you don't.
I agree Mal could have handled this better, but I don't dislike the scene. I really liked the parallel with Bushwhacked where Simon confronts Mal about leaving his sister in the open. Even Jayne and Book chime in. Different people, different choices.
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Originally posted by RonaldRaygun:
The only thing that bugs me is the use of present day weapons. 500 years in the future and they still use .45's? I wouldn't think that it would have cost too much to fancify the weapons like they did with Mals.
Remember the Ariel scene, when the Blue Hands were in pursuit, and they couldn't open the door 'cause all they had was that damned futuristic gun?
High-tech weapons do exist; but a piece of metal in your torso'll kill you just as much.
I liked the Inara bathing scene alright; though at first I thought it was a glitch with my DVD player.
Anyway, my least favorite part? Uh - when Book interupts Simon and Kaylee in OiS. What a bastard.
Also, in Heart of Gold. The whole epsiode.
One thing about Joss, he seems to greatly overestimate the speed of horses; or perhaps, underestimate the speed of everything else. There was another scene of his (besides the hovercraft one) where the animel was too damn quic. In BtVS, near the end of season 5, a group of horses caught up with an RV, going full speed down an empty road. He tried to make it seem beleiveable, by throwing in an "I can't beleive how slow this RV is" comment...but it was doing atleast 55.
I liked that laser gun, though.
-Steve
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Originally posted by RonaldRaygun:
The only thing that bugs me is the use of present day weapons. 500 years in the future and they still use .45's? I wouldn't think that it would have cost too much to fancify the weapons like they did with Mals.
Remember the Ariel scene, when the Blue Hands were in pursuit, and they couldn't open the door 'cause all they had was that damned futuristic gun?
High-tech weapons do exist; but a piece of metal in your torso'll kill you just as much.
I liked the Inara bathing scene alright; though at first I thought it was a glitch with my DVD player.
Anyway, my least favorite part? Uh - when Book interupts Simon and Kaylee in OiS. What a bastard.
Also, in Heart of Gold. The whole epsiode.
One thing about Joss, he seems to greatly overestimate the speed of horses; or perhaps, underestimate the speed of everything else. There was another scene of his (besides the hovercraft one) where the animel was too damn quic. In BtVS, near the end of season 5, a group of horses caught up with an RV, going full speed down an empty road. He tried to make it seem beleiveable, by throwing in an "I can't beleive how slow this RV is" comment...but it was doing atleast 55.
I liked that laser gun, though.
-Steve
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Originally posted by Okkay:
One reason that The Message has always bugged me was that the whole episode could have been resolved peacefully if Mal just *explained* to Tracey that their plan wasn't to turn him over to the cop. He didn't have to keep the plan secret, but he did, there was a big misunderstanding, and bad things happened because of it, and Tracey died. Yes, the episode needed Tracy to die, but they way it happened just bugs me every time.
The Message has to be my favorite episode of all and here’s why this scene worked for me.
When Tracey first came in and Book and Mal were talking, they didn’t have the plan all talked out to every last detail. Both being men with obvious leadership training and military knowledge they didn’t have to spell out exactly what they were thinking, the other man just caught on. When Tracey turned a gun on our crew Book stepped forward and tried to explain the plan, but the gun was quickly turned on him and he was told to “shut it”. Now it doesn’t matter what anyone might have said. Tracey wouldn’t believe it. It would of all been an excuse, a lie, to get Kaylee back before he was handed over to the feds and killed for those fancy organs he was carrying.
Since Tracey was willing to lie and put Serenity and her crew in danger, it seems fitting that he would believe them capable of doing the same to him.
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