Is it wrong to like grown-up stuff? At least on this site?
POSTED BY: reginaroadie
UPDATED: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 01:14
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Originally posted by twitch:
It's this same quality that makes the old Bugs Bunny cartoons a hoot to watch. Sure, kids love 'em. But they were written for "grown ups" and a lot of the humor depends on "grown up" things. The end result is that they have wider appeal, and as you re-watch them you get different things out of them.
I find Looney Tunes even more funny as I've grown up. It's amazing how many things go over you're head when you're a kid.
I agree with most that Firefly is an adult series. I started watching Buffy and Angel recently, and one of the most interesting things I've noticed is how Firefly deals with more serious subject matter. It's almost as if you can see how Joss's writing has matured over the years.
It's still okay to enjoy "grown-up" shows though. Personally, I'm a die-hard House fan. It's the only show that comes close to Firefly in my book (well, next to Buffy and Angel).
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I think you're not looking hard enough! Obviously the majority of stuff is JW related (it actually seems to get more Whedon-related as time goes on), but have a good look at all the posts, especially some of the older stuff, and there's a large amount of non-Whedon stuff too. Plus, if you wanna talk about something, post about it! You're bound to find someone else who's interested.
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Thanks for all the responses I've been getting on this. It's nice to know that a lot of you guys share the same tastes as I do, and that it's OK to post threads about other non sci-fi or non-Joss shows on here.
I do have to disagree on one thing I've read here in saying that 24 is an adolescent fantasy or something akin to that. Right from the beginning, 24 has been much more complex than a regular action series. I read somewhere in that it's taken the mantle of THE X-FILES in that it's really a show about our cultures collective fears. 24 for me is more of a commentary on the "war on terror" and the complexities that are involved with it. It's neither pro nor anti-Bush and can appeal to both Red and Blue Staters. In a way, it's kind of a spiritual brother to ANGEL in that it deals with the shades of grey that is the battle between good and evil. I mean, Jack Bauer is basically Angel without the fangs and male model looks and attire.
Since Joss likes to have these Shakespeare readings at his house on Sundays with his cast, I think he'd get a kick out of the presidential storylines. In closely looking at them, I've caught references to MACBETH, HAMLET, JULIUS CAESAR, KING LEAR, the list goes on and on.
But the main thing about this show is that it's an honest to God tragedy. The show is basically about a guy who can save the world over and over again, but he can't save the people that are closest to him. At least Buffy, Angel and Mal can fall back on the family they've created. Jack, he can only have fleeting relationships with people before they're cut down.
Nevertheless, it's still a thrilling show. And can't wait for it to start up in January. I hear that Jack's dad is going to be on the show this season. Only instead of him being played by Donald Sutherland, it'll be James Cromwell playing him. Right now, I'm thinking it's a good runner-up. But knowing how kick ass he is as an actor, I know it's going to be so cool. And fan fave Milo from season 1 is coming back. Can't wait for him to sparr with Chloe.
Sweet lord, I'm hijacking my own thread. Back to the topic.
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I do have to disagree on one thing I've read here in saying that 24 is an adolescent fantasy or something akin to that.
Just finished reading all of this, and I don't think anyone said that 24 was a bad show. They said that shows with people who can go for 24 hours without feeling any bodily urges (I'm paraphrasing, of course) are unrealistic, and adolescent in a way.
Or, maybe they are talking about 24. I've honestly never had the urge to see it, so...
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I'm glad someone else likes Looney Toons as much as I do!
As far as Seryn's observation that SF does not equate to kid's stuff, you're right on the money. There IS SF that's kid's stuff. I tend not to read it twice. It's the SF that makes you stop and go "ARrooo?!" that really gets me. There have been a handful of books that have done that to me. Those are the ones I find myself turning to time and again, and I always get something new out of them. It's not because they've changed. I have.
Glad to see there's at least one other physics geek in the audience! It's a rare thing to find a writer who can stay close to the physically possible and still build really good characters. Only doubles the tears that Firefly's no longer running.
I don't think you can point at a genre and say, "Kid's Stuff" or "Grown Up". It depends too much on the writer. I've found fantasy that was obviously written by a writer who knew their history, their mythology, their ancient cultures, etc. DAMN that's a fine read. I've also run into fantasy writers who obviously gleaned their entire knowlege of the ancient world from too many sessions of D&D. The same holds true for SF, westerns, modern crime capers, mysteries, etc.
I don't watch 24, but that's mostly because I don't watch much TV.
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I love Loony Tunes...and may I say the Fairly Oddparents are really funny....Cosmo sends me into hysterics
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There's a lot of 'grownup stuff" in Firefly/Serenity if you look for it.
The names most of the planets are from Egyptian,Greek and Roman mythology. There are lots of references to the Beatles, Shakespeare, classic literature, pop culture and other scifi references.
If you persued every reference that Joss makes in Firefly/Serenity you'd have a good well rounded "grownup" education
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