Bush assassination film
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Saturday, September 16, 2006 20:20
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This issue was actually rather thoroughly debated at a convention I was present at once, and I guess I'll offer my input here, as I did then.
First and foremost, you can't cack the POTUS.
I mean, you could, but it's the most self-destructive and useless action you could possibly take to make any social or political change, and I highly doubt even the most bitter and hardened of terrorists would do so - not only do they risk his replacement with someone actually competent, but also in that it would solidify resentment against them, and most terrorists are well-aware of how to utilize public sympathy, as hezbollah has shown in the recent past.
That's not a moral judgement, those are just some rather self-evident facts.
And as for internal terrorist types like McVeigh, Krar, and the like, it's unlikely, because when a man assumes the oval office, when he takes up the mantle of the POTUS, he *BECOMES* that office, and no matter how vile and despicable a man he is, he is the living personification of americas leadership and thus any strike against him would be one against not only all of america, but the very IDEA of america - and even most domestic terrorists would not do this, as their ire is directed mostly at the direction america has gone, it's policies or agencies, but very few, if any of them are set against the concept.
I think it's quite telling and ironic that our resident trolls don't have a problem with a president being assassinated, but only that they have a problem with the one who's nuts they are currently riding being cacked - it speaks volumes about what they really care about, placing their party above their country, but that's always been their way.
The very first attempted assassination of a president was almost certainly assisted, if not plotted, by that party, and failed because both of the miscreants pistols misfired, whereupon president jackson had to be physically restrained from beating the damned fool to death with his cane.
http://americanhistory.si.edu/PRESIDENCY/3d1c.html
It was jacksons destruction of the national bank and actually bringing our country out of debt for the first, last, and only time in it's history that so angered the whigs, later to become the republicans we all know and 'love' today.
So is it really any wonder they don't have a problem with presidental assassination, long as it's not their president ?
Anyhow, you can't cack the POTUS, it's stupid, irresponsible, solves nothing and would create a cascade of consequences not the least of which would be an outpouring of public hatred towards the cause of whomever tried it.
And a film detailing that fallout - sure, there's a place for it, and if anything it would *discourage* those who would consider it, and I cannot see that as a bad thing.
It would depend a lot on the film, whether it's a realistic "What-if" piece, or whether it overshadows reality with it's own 'message' to the point of distortion.
For mine own, I'd reserve judgement till I saw it.
-Frem
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When a political group ( The Left ) is so utterly bankrupt of ideas and has become so completely irelevent, this is what it depths it is willing to sink.
Dude - it is a BRITISH docudrama. Why does it have to be from a particular political side. Why can't it just be from Bush dislikers?
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I honestly don't see the big deal. Are we afraid somebody might get an idea from this thing? Because, as we all know, there were no assassinations before the advent of the movin' picture. Wait, is that right...
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Auraptor,
So you want our president to be shot?
I think most people who think about shooting our current president (I estimate there are probably one million actively planning it at the moment) - do not think of the consequences of their actions. Think of how this govt. in a bipartisan way exploited 9-11 to dismantle an institution I used to call america. Now think of what this govt., not any other govt. like the kennedy or lincoln govt, would handle an assassination. It would probably institute gun control. Its worth speculating. I think that the only thing in between a bullet and bush is a billion dollars worth of security. He's already had at least one assassination attempt that we know of. The film would undoubtedly decrease the chances of bush being assassinated, not increase it.
But maybe you've thought through to the next level. If bush were assassinated, then cheney could run for reelection in 2008, whereas cheney could never win an open gop primary. So maybe assassinating bush is just what a very pro bush person might do.
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Quote:It never ceases to amaze me how immoral a political group can get that they take any opportunity to blame another for all ills...
Originally posted by AURaptor:
When a political group ( The Left ) is so utterly bankrupt of ideas and has become so completely irrelevant, this is what it depths it is willing to sink.
.Seriously man, it's made in Britain for British TV, it's nothing to do with American left/right politics. It's nothing to do with British left/right politics. It's nothing to do with Bush haters.
Why must you judge everything by how 'right' (know what I mean?) you perceive it to be?
Quote:And to show them how wrong they were you propose responding in kind. Brilliant in its simplistic idiocy...
Theo Van Gogh's death taught them not to make snuff films about Islamic leaders. Those folks don't take even the most vague or 'sophisticated' criticisms very well at all.
Quote:Yeah I know, the way they took the utter piss out of the American gung-ho kill 'em all attitude, that was great.
Then again, Matt Stone and Trey Parker didn't show any fear in the making of Team America!
Now to end on an amusing note:
Quote:HOW DARE YOU MAKE A FILM WE DON'T AGREE WITH!!!!! GITMO, GITMO NOW!
I believe this crosses the line of 'responsible' free speech,and that if the writers/ directors of this movie step foot in the US, they should be detained.
Anyone remember the Muhammad cartoon thing? I thought freedom of speech was king, always...
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:
Anyone remember the Muhammad cartoon thing? I thought freedom of speech was king, always...
Hey man, at least I'm consistent. I think it's all okay. Even the violent porn mentioned in another thread.
However, this should make things more interesting:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/SHOWBIZ/Movies/09/12/filmfest.president.reut/i
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Bush assassination movie gets U.S. deal
...Gabriel Range, the British producer/director/creator of "Death of a President," the fictional documentary that sight unseen became one of the most talked-about movies of the Toronto Film Festival, has sold U.S. distribution rights to Newmarket Films, which handled Mel Gibson's equally provocative movie "The Passion of the Christ"...
I can't help but wonder if those who were vilifying the Clintons for blasting the recent ABC "docu-drama" will do the same to those who oppose this film. Somehow, I doubt it... I imagine this will be, instead, yet another partisan discussion.
EDIT- Please note the distributor is the same that distributed "Passion of the Christ". Not exactly a leftist film.
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I know you are man 
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Just pointing out that others, well, aren't...
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
When a political group ( The Left ) is so utterly bankrupt of ideas and has become so completely irelevent, this is what it depths it is willing to sink. "
When a political group (the Right) has run out of progressive and intellegent things to say it starts looking for arguments with everyone else.
Was'nt Hitler, Mussolini, Franco, Pinochet etc on the right of the political spectrum?
Still at least the trains ran on time eh AURAPTER?
Oh, and yes, I am calling you a Nazi, Nazi.
Dont forget to capitalize several of the words in your response.
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First of all, the story ( attributed to Mossolini ) that the trains ran on time is a myth.
Second, it's AURaptor. At least get THAT right, if nothing else.
Moussolini was a FASCIST dictator. Neither of which ( fascist or dictator ) go anywhere to describe what a conservative is in today's US politics. Poor attempt on your part to try to draw any sort of connection, pin head.
And you trying to call me a NAZI only shows that you're a fucking ignorant MORONN for not even knowing what NAZIs were.
p.s. - Progressive is nothing more than a code word for socialist. Not overly impressive, either way. Intelligent ? A debate could be made that neither Right or Left could offeres much in the way of intelligence as displayed in D.C.
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Originally posted by SimonWho:
At least we know where Auraptor stands: presenting false information as historical fact - acceptable. Presenting a fictional possibility - unacceptable. Films depicting the killing world leaders he disapproves of - acceptable. Films depicting the killing world leaders he approves of - unacceptable.
And he doubtlessly sees no problem there either.
Where have I ever stood for presenting false info as fact? That'd be NEVER.
Did I ever offer any opinion of a film depicting the murder of ANY 'world leader' ? No, I did not. ( Kim Jong Il didn't 'die' in the movie 'Team America, did he ? I can't remember. But those puppets were pretty damn funny. I'll give them that. )
My, you're 1 for 3. I guess that's a good average for you, huh?
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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