stupid, evil, and corrupt
POSTED BY: rue
UPDATED: Wednesday, March 25, 2026 22:34
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Auraptor,
I agree it's not as bad as they say. I just think there are serious issues. America needs a reality check on what we stand for and who we are.
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Quote:And a symbiotic relationship is not domestication either. I'd hardly call the relationship between Flowers and Bees Horticulture.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Horticulture is not domestication. read up on some ants, you'll get it.
Who domesticated who, Crocodile or Plover?
Still nothing backing up your claims, re. Dogs.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by rue:
Torture is raping women, adolescent boys and little girls. Torture is hanging a man up, beating him on the backs of his knees for 18 hours, and leaving him to internally bleed to death in his cell. Torture is wrapping up an old man in a sleeping bag and kicking him to death.
Is THAT what you support?
Wow. Easiest post I've had in a long time. All ya had to do was read up a few posts to see where I had already addressed this. Guess ya must have missed it.
" I don't condone 'rape, torture ', and what ever bullshit you claim. You obviously have the US forces confused w/ those of the U.N. Yeah, those fucks are the ones doing the WIDESPREAD raping and murdering in Africa,all in the name of 'peace'. Not so w/ the US forces under Bush. Fact is, where a very few have acted in a criminal manner, they get nailed for it. And rightfully so. Some might even get the death penalty. That's not 'whole sale condoing' of your precious 'war crimes', so stuff it. "
Did ya see where I said I DON'T condone rape? And in cases of severe and clearly excessive use of force on a prisoner, those found guilty should be charged to the fullest extent, even if the sentence is execution? Did ya somehow miss THAT too?
In the words of George Bush 41:
Fake torture - Goooood
Real torture - Baaaad. Very very baaaad.
(Dear lord, if this doesn't clear the matter up, then nothing will )
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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When you called rape "bullshit" it was confusing. I just want to be clear. You don't condone rape, torture and murder, when proven. Nod if you can hear me and you agree.
Do you think EVERYONE responsible should be prosecuted, no matter how high up in the chain of command?
Edited to add:
This is not a trick question. If a few rogue soldiers were responsible, then the next up who SHOULD have overseen them is reponsible, but it goes no futher.
But if, for example, someone higher up removed the 'torture' sections of Abu Ghraib from under Gen Karpinski's command, THAT person SHOULD be held accountable for what happened.
Do you agree?
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Quote:
In Internet terminology, a troll is someone who comes into an established community such as an online discussion forum, and posts inflammatory, rude, repetitive or offensive messages designed intentionally to annoy or antagonize the existing members or disrupt the flow of discussion, including the personal attack of calling others trolls. Often, trolls assume multiple aliases, or sock puppets.
Please explain to me how Asshat's behavior in these threads does NOT consitute the underlined portion of the definition of a troll.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?=18&t=23634
I post, he quotes post, with personal slam - quickly refuted, and never addressed again because the sole intent was the slam to begin with, and said thread was intentionally antagonistic from the start, it seemed to me he was looking for a flame war.
http://www.fireflyfans.net/thread.asp?b=18&t=23879
Same behavior, different thread - nothing offered but insult, post intended to provoke flame war, or flame war by proxy, no attempt at discussion.
I know some folk would like to give the benefit of the doubt, but his own behavior defines him, he goes out of his way to be offensive and often offers nothing to a discussion beyond a couple of insults.
-Frem
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Originally posted by rue:
When you called rape "bullshit" it was confusing. I just want to be clear. You don't condone rape, torture and murder, when proven. Nod if you can hear me and you agree.
Do you think EVERYONE responsible should be prosecuted, no matter how high up in the chain of command?
Edited to add:
This is not a trick question. If a few rogue soldiers were responsible, then the next up who SHOULD have overseen them is reponsible, but it goes no futher.
But if, for example, someone higher up removed the 'torture' sections of Abu Ghraib from under Gen Karpinski's command, THAT person SHOULD be held accountable for what happened.
Do you agree?
Now you're dealing in a slippery slope... " well if soldier 'A' was guilty, wasn't his c.o. just as guilty? And if his c.o. was guilty....etc, etc...IMPEACH THE PRESIDENT! ". It's a false premise that needs to be established first before any such comment can be made. Sorry, but that dog won't hunt. You're using ever changing definitions of torture. You do know that it's leagal,under Geneva Convention rules, for a hostile who is dressed as a civilian and carrying out military actions against uniformed soldiers who is caught to be killed, on the spot. So spare me the talk of 'torture'. Keeping a very bad al Qaeda guy in a cold room and making him listen to the Red Hot Chili Peppers played very loudly , while not the most fun thing in the world, can't be viewed as 'torture'.
I've made my position abundantly clear on this issue. I think wasting any more time talking about this is just that. A waste of time.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Sheesh - anything to avoid a subtantive discussion.
I tried very hard to distinguish between those with DIRECT oversight versus theoretical chain of command involvement. I'm just looking for some agreement here that people with DIRECT oversight are responsible and should be held accountable.
Was that not clear? Let me state it anew - should those with DIRECT oversight be held accountable for rape, beating or murder that occurred under their DIRECT command?
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bump and RE-notify
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Come on, Rue, you can't still be surprised by AU's chickenshit evasion at this point? Can you?
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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Auraptor- back to the Plame thing temporarily. The person you quote extensively proposing Joe Wilson as the source of Plame's undercover status- Clifford May- contradicts himself a month later when he says that Plame's status was common knowledge.
In any case, his reasoning is based on the specious assumption that only Joe Wilson or the WH knew of and could have "outed" Valerie's NOC status. In reality there were many possible sources (including Cliff himself, if you can believe what he writes). In fact I heard one possible source personally on KPFK. It was an anonymous call-in from someone claiming to be a CIA officer ("Don't call us 'agents'. Agents are foreigners that we recruit") and he sounded voice-shakingly pissed. I wouldn't be surprised if "someone" volunteered info to Corn... after Valerie's status was blown.
As far as I'm concerned the whole notion that Joe Wilson "outed" his own wife has been put to rest. Let's move on to other issues.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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