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What does Support the Troops mean?

POSTED BY: Succatash
UPDATED: Friday, September 8, 2006 04:10
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Monday, September 4, 2006 5:26 AM

Aww, man, I hear ya about the MREs. Those little peanut butter packets should have "WARNING: This vaguely peanut butter-like substance is guaranteed to clog your colon for up to 5 months" stamped on the side. Don't even get me started on the mashed "potatoes". Its probably healthier AND tastier AFTER you puke it up. I feel genuinely sorry for you folks that have to eat that crap all the time. Even if you didn't make your living gettin' shot at, I'd respect you guys just for that.

You're welcome on my boat. God ain't.

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Monday, September 4, 2006 1:16 PM

Once upon a long damn time ago, yah.

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hope this informs you a little more about the weapons that we use now-a-days.

Damn i'm such a geezer.. so they finally got a medium-heavy MG that can do the job, good freakin deal.

The reason for my Beloved M60 was simple, I humped the big nasty heavy one too, not that short barrel E-8 crap, cause the shorter barrel resulted in less punch and even MORE overheating, bleh.

Our primary infantry "threat" at the time would have been from Sov-Bloc BMPs, and the M72A2 LAW rocket being more of a forget-to-fire than fire-and-forget, we carried a case of M61 black molly, and if one of those bastards got within 150m of us, we were gonna make it swiss cheese...

The M249 SAW that replaced it cannot serve as a dual-purpose weapon because it has ZERO capability against light armor, so i'm glad to see something with a little punch back in the field as a squad weapon.

The M203 with 40mmGL was still (and we only found this out YEARS later) hanging the firing pin extended, causing slamfire when you loaded it, and in rare cases before the breech was fully closed, so nobody in their right mind carried it at that time.

The AK's a pretty nice toy, a bit less accurate due to looser tolerances, and slightly lower range, but the Finnish Sako variant of it is everything a troop could ever want in a combat rifle - especially since the XM8 project didn't come through.

As for food supply, some of those MRE's were never properly tested to stay decent in desert heat conditions, and thus should not be issued in said environs.

If you have a food supply issue that the chain of command is unwilling to rectify, what you need to do is find out from your 94B's exactly who the 76X in charge of your unit's direct supply is and explain the matter to them, they WILL find you a workaround, if for no other reason than a matter of pride.

The MOS numbers might have changed, mind, but 76X is food supply, or used to be.

My primary concern is that your position, and mission is likely to become... umm...
Untenable.

And you know what that means as much as I do.

-Frem

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 3:29 AM

M203 is reliable now.
M249 Saw is ment for a "spray and pray" as a support weapon.
The M240G is a bigger version of the M249 Saw, shoots further with a much stronger punch. Does not effect light armored (anything)
The .50 Cal does effect light armored (anything :) ) Their is armor pircing ammo for it. The round goes in six inches inside of the armor then explodes. Two rounds of that, yeah your FXXXing (for kids) things up.
The Ak 47 is no where as accurate as our rifles, but its an automatic, one round is accurate the others just go all over the place, its not even as accurate as the M249 Saw (when its in the prone position).

The food thing, it doesn't happen all of the time. Four months ago is when it started. We are just ordering more to fix the problem and throwing away the bad ones. I don't know if its a good enough answer, what happens when we recive more bad ones? But I am not the all knowing gentlemen of the Marine Corps aka an officer. So I am wrong for even suggesting its not the best route.

Support the troops, be understanding to what we do and why we do it, and don't shun us for it.

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 1:42 PM

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Originally posted by SignyM:
Perhaps he will come through with a link.


Turns out he lived...guess you think it makes it all ok:
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The guardsman, Alexander Powell, said he was walking to a convenience store when a sport utility vehicle pulled up alongside him and the driver asked if he was in the military and if he had been in any action.

The driver then got out of the vehicle, displayed a gun and shouted insults at Powell. Four other suspects exited the vehicle and knocked the soldier down, punching and kicking him, calling him a "baby killer" during the attack, according to Powell.

The driver was described as a white male, 25-30 years old, 5 feet 10 inches tall, heavy build, short blond hair, wearing a black T-shirt and jeans, and armed with a handgun.

The vehicle's passengers were described as white males, 20-25 years old. Some of the men wore red baseball hats and red sweatshirts during the attack.



H

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 6:03 PM

And the link from which the above is clipped:

http://www.kirotv.com/news/9765757/detail.html

eta: The most relevant portion of the above article, which Hero neglected to quote, is:

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excerpted from http://www.kirotv.com/news/9765757/detail.html
The witness told police he saw several men in uniform beat a man in civilian clothes, but later changed his account to back the guardsman.

Investigators said the witness's stories were inconsistent with the guardsman's, and they are back to "square one" in the investigation.

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RUE
Wednesday, September 6, 2006 9:50 PM

Zero,

Could you possibly BE even less decent than you already are?

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Wednesday, September 6, 2006 10:02 PM

Now, normally I don't like to agree with anyone in the RWED for fear of being labeled one way or another...I like to play nice and keep labels away from my discussions. I just happened upon this thread and read Hero's post dated the 1st of Sept starting with this:

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Since the troops are the folk who have volunteered to fight for us, I think they deserve our support regardless of our belief in the war. Its like your car. Would you refuse fuel, fluids, and maintenence to your car just because you don't support the direction its going? Of course not, because someday you might just need that car to get you were you need to be.


...and I agree with him. Well said, Hero, and thank you.
And for those of you posters who are actual vets, thank you for your service. I know one person's words may not mean alot, but I try to thank every person I see wearing a military uniform.

______________________________________

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RUE
Wednesday, September 6, 2006 10:13 PM

I try to thank every person I see wearing a military uniform.

That's a great idea. Thank you.



Nearly everything I know I learned by the grace of others.

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Thursday, September 7, 2006 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by rue:
Zero,

Could you possibly BE even less decent than you already are?


That depends on what you mean.

Either you think I'm just a really decent fellow and you want me to be less or you think I'm not decent and you want me to be even less then that or to be more decent then you think I am or maybe you just don't know what decent means or perhaps by "decent" you mean "parrot Rue's thoughts and opinions and anything less is simply not decent" or by decent you mean wear more tastful and appropriate clothing or less tastful and appropriate clothing which seems to fit what you are literally saying or...

H

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Thursday, September 7, 2006 2:21 PM

Okay, for the record, here's the complete story:

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New Questions In Case Of Attack On Guardsman

POSTED: 4:33 pm PDT August 30, 2006
UPDATED: 9:21 am PDT September 1, 2006

PARKLAND, Wash. -- Authorities are continuing to investigate a National Guardsman's claim that he was attacked earlier this week in Parkland and called "a baby killer."

A witness who came forward after the incident told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News a different story about what happened on Tuesday morning, but deputies said the witness later changed that story when they interviewed him.

The witness told police he saw several men in uniform beat a man in civilian clothes, but later changed his account to back the guardsman.

Investigators said the witness's stories were inconsistent with the guardsman's, and they are back to "square one" in the investigation.

The guardsman, Alexander Powell, said he was walking to a convenience store when a sport utility vehicle pulled up alongside him and the driver asked if he was in the military and if he had been in any action.

The driver then got out of the vehicle, displayed a gun and shouted insults at Powell. Four other suspects exited the vehicle and knocked the soldier down, punching and kicking him, calling him a "baby killer" during the attack, according to Powell.

The driver was described as a white male, 25-30 years old, 5 feet 10 inches tall, heavy build, short blond hair, wearing a black T-shirt and jeans, and armed with a handgun.

The vehicle's passengers were described as white males, 20-25 years old. Some of the men wore red baseball hats and red sweatshirts during the attack.



I'm not drawing any conclusions here, but it seems that this is an isolated incident at most, and possibly not even that.

As far as I'm concerned, until further info becomes available, I'm putting this one back in the "spitting hippies" file.

Of course, the way these sort of urban legends work, by next month we'll be hearing about roving bands of anti-war nuts assaulting service people nationwide...

"She's tore up plenty. But she'll fly true." -- Zoë Washburn

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