The right to Free Speech and Peaceably Assemble
POSTED BY: FellowTraveler
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Originally posted by AURaptor:
It really is amazing at how some KKK types try to spin their own racist views. They say they don't HATE the black ( or the Jew, chink, etc.. ) just as long as all those minorities stay with their own kind. Using that " logic ", I can see how a lawyer could make the case that a State Trooper could uphold his duties with no conflict of interest. Just as long as he doesn't have to deal w/ any inter-racial marriages.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
For the record, I'm not a KKK type nor am I defending this individual, but:
State Patrol commander, Col. Bryan Tuma
Tuma said a review of Henderson's record showed no pattern of bias or misconduct against minorities.
"There were no concerns whatsoever that he was engaged in any profiling or any biased treatment of any minority," he said.
Didn't almost everyone who participated in the poll last week say that freedom is more important than security? Does that freedom only extend to those that we agree with?
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Harry Truman was probably a charter member. The Klan is the key architect of the new democratic party. They created Woodrow Wilson out of whole cloth. I suppose if one wanted, one could call the Klan a terrorist organization, and get no argument from me.
But that doesn't mean a member of a monoethnic cult should not be allowed to participate in public life, because that's absurd. There are countless members of cults devoted to the creation of a monoethnic society at high positions in public life, including all of zionism.
In order to be a successful member of a black political establishment or even blackodemic, it helps to be a member of one of the pro-black groups. There is absolutely no difference between one and the other. The notion that there is is really a racist one.
What matters is: "is he going to act on that."
I read a similar story about nation of islam, which is why I brought it up. I'm sure, btw, that louis farrahkhan is filling the ranks of urban police departments.
But there's another issue, which I think was the one put here. Who gives who that power, and what precedent does it say.
Any case, Nazis, kiddieporn, etc., is always an ugly precedent for something else. Set X measure in place to give govt. power to block Y activity, which the govt. really doesn't care about, but people do, and then the govt. will use that precedent to block Z activity, thus restricting everyone else. It's a pretty old trick. If anyone bothered to read the Clinton era child pornography act, it never mentioned child pornography once, but instead just gave the govt. permission to block any website it didn't want running. Since then it's been repealed, but I think this is a classic model.
So, ban klan cop may be a precedent for something else. If the guy is a racist in his line of work, there will be an incident for which you can not only ban him, but arrest him. That's not the issue. The issue is what kind of case is this, and why would people have such a case.
I'm sure you'll see nation of islam come up in cases similar to this, and my suspicion is that there may be an agenda item afoot.
"It is a threat to the very fabric of our society," U.S. Attorney Rod J. Rosenstein said.
Both groups groups, nation of islam and the klan, are anti-semitic.
BTW, I don't know if this impacts on the argument, but I don't believe Robert Henderson is white. He's remarkably non-white in the picture. I would be pretty sure he's a native american.
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I think auraptor's accusations can be ignored. The "Everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" is an old rhetorical trick, and is frequently used to silence debate on civil liberties. I think it's pretty much that anyone posting here is not a Klan type. We're a fan group of a show with two black characters, an interracial marriage and a latina, in which everyone speaks chinese. It's not exactly happy klan land.
See if this guy look indian to anyone else
BTW, this thread was not posted in support of the Klan, it was posted to look at the 1st amendment angle of the case, which is the spirit in which I took it. If you turn it into a debate on racism, than obviously the anti-klan side wins. But the anti-klan side is also the anti-1st amendment side. What this means is here are a bunch of fans of a show about a new libertarian ideal, attacking core values of the ideology essentially because, IMHO, they are being played.
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Maybe we should ignore your "Everyone who disagrees with me is a freedom of speech hating facist accusation"?
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by citizen:
From over here as a public servant he should only be allowed to operate in that capacity if he can offer impartial treatment to any situation.
Being a member of a white supremicist group proves he can not.[\b]
Doesn't this make the same kinda' assumption that the Klan does?
Because somebody is a member of a certain group (black, Jewish, Catholic) they will behave a certain way.
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Quote:No. People join the Klan because it's a violent racist organisation.
Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Doesn't this make the same kinda' assumption that the Klan does?
Because somebody is a member of a certain group (black, Jewish, Catholic) they will behave a certain way.
Maybe this trooper thought they were chicken fanciers or something the "Coo Cluck Clan"?
Attempting to draw a parallel between someone who is a member of a violent racist organisation and someone who was born with black skin is beyond ridiculous.
Is barring a known member of the KGB in from being put in charge of national security indicative of the same assumptions as made by the klan?
I'm not allowed to run for president of the United States, I guess you guys are discriminating against the British.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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dreamtrove wrote:
Monday, August 28, 2006 09:38
I think auraptor's accusations can be ignored. The "Everyone who disagrees with me is a racist" is an old rhetorical trick, and is frequently used to silence debate on civil liberties.
I gotta ask, where did I accuse anyone of anything here ? Show me, please!
Seems to me you're just asking for my comments to be ignored simply because. I'm at a loss here as to what you find at issue. Quote:Folk are folk. I think we all agree on that, right ? We all got on this boat for different reasons....
I think it's pretty much that anyone posting here is not a Klan type. We're a fan group of a show with two black characters, an interracial marriage and a latina, in which everyone speaks chinese. It's not exactly happy klan land.
I don't know if the guy 'looks' Indian or not.
But there is a legitimate question as to whether a Klan member can serve the public's interest, as in the role of State Trooper. Where does this question get resolved ? Is it with this one individual? His record, according to State Patrol commander Tuma, suggests he's (Henderson) suitable for the job. So, is there a need to pry through every state trooper's records to see if they had dealings w/ the Klan, or similar groups? Don't think that stuff isn't taken into account, because it is. And thankfully so.
This might be one of those situations where it just doesn't 'feel' right, but for the freedoms we have in this country, we have to accept it.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Here's how I see it. Any person who is overtly racist cannot effectivly police a mixed population. Whether or not his affiliation with the Klan spills over into his job or not, the fact remains that he has joined an overtly racist group (which is against more than just one minority), and it undermines his ability to do his job.
So what are the problems with a KKK member being a cop? Easy, first off there is the obvious things, if he can't look past his prejudice then he will probably end up harrasing, falsely charging, etc. minorities.
Second, even if he manages to keep his personal feeling seperate from his job think about this: he arrests a black man for something, the charge goes to court, the black mans lawyer finds out that the cop is a KKK member, the black man walks free, regardless of innocence or guilt, not a good outcome. *cough*O.J.*cough*
Third, if he is known to be a KKK member, then in all likelyhood people around him will react quite negatively, this can cause serious issues for a cop. Consider: if he is investigating a crime in a predominantly black area (or even an area with just a few blacks) and he has to get information from black people, what will the result be if they know of his affiliation? Probably not nearly as good as if he wasn't a KKK member. So what has to be done? Should the police have to send someone else whenever a black person is being interviewed?
What it really comes down to is this. His membership in the KKK negatively affects his ability to do his job, since he is no longer as capable of doing his job he should be released.
But that's just me.
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Originally posted by citizen:
I'm not allowed to run for president of the United States, I guess you guys are discriminating against the British.
Damn straight!!!
Limey's trying to run for President, feh! What's the world coming to?
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Didn't almost everyone who participated in the poll last week say that freedom is more important than security? Does that freedom only extend to those that we agree with?
Good point. Enough to make me re-consider my position.
Not nessesarily changing it.
Just applying further though.
And it hurts.
Damn these moral quandaries.
"I thoroughly disapprove of duels. If a man should challenge me, I would take him kindly and forgivingly by the hand and lead him to a quiet place and kill him."
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