Why Darwin Matters
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AU, you really are delusional, you've got more to be afraid of from Christian fundamentalists influencing your government than from Islamic fundamentalists planning to blow up planes with hand cream.
I realise terrorism is a new and scary thing for you that makes you wet your pants on a daily basis, so it seems like a big scary thing, but I've been facing it my entire life. I've realised that treating a bunch of ineffectual psychotic morons as the bogey man and keeping the night light on in case they jump out of the cupboard is pointless, maybe you'll stop listening to our f
ded up sensationalist media sometime and realise this rather simple fact too, but probably you won't. You have, after all, shown yourself to be incapable of independent thought.
Where as Islamic terrorists can't do anything more than kill a couple of people, that's if they get really, really, really lucky, Right-wing Christian fundamentalists are gaining influence in US government, it is their stated purpose to infiltrate government and their stated purpose to tear down the barrier between church and state. They want to turn the US into a theocracy, and you trying to paint me as jealous because of that obviously means you want a Christian theocracy, enjoy your inquisition, they're a fixture of theocracies. I hope you're Christian enough for them, or maybe you'll be one of the inquisitors, I could believe that, you do support torture after all.
That's the problem with people like you, you’re so arrogant and ignorant of anything outside your home town you think everyone must be jealous of you. Yes AU, everyone wants to be you, now take today’s medication, there's a good boy.
And just so you know, from someone who actually lives in Europe, Islamic fundamentalists have less sway with governments over here than they do in America. Every time a Muslim fanatic says they hate America people like you soil themselves and demand all freedoms be curtailed in the name of 'safety'. Over here not so much.
I, like most people, am not jealous of you. Most of your post is nonsense, and like a sniper suffering from Alzheimer’s you continually miss the mark. If you can't understand what I'm saying please keep your 'opinions' to yourself and get back to your duplo bricks.
Perspective mate, get some.
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Citizen- the Christian faith is extorted, manipulated, coerced, mislead and deceived at all levels of American society; to say that our doctrines are responsible for our governments behavior is a misappropriation of blame. thats like saying christians are responsible for all the worlds diceptions. now ill admit that christians have become a tool for political gain, but that is more because they fail to fully realize the herecies being propogated by those who seek control. our establishment is lying to everybody to achieve their agenda, it is not solely christians being worked over by Bush and the NWO fearmongers. if the goal IS to eliminate the boundary between church and state, understand then that the bibles message makes clear that this attempt is in anticipation for the rise of mystery babylon, and the system of the beast; a lifestyle antithetical to Gods original purpose for man.
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citizen wrote:
Sunday, August 27, 2006 00:47
AU, you really are delusional, you've got more to be afraid of from Christian fundamentalists influencing your government than from Islamic fundamentalists planning to blow up planes with hand cream.
terrorism commited by christians -( eric rudolph ) olympic park bombing. deaths - 1
terrorism comitted by muslims - 1993 WTC attacks, 9/11/01 WTC attacks, E.Africa Embassy attacks, USS Cole attack, Kobar Towers,Bali , ... you get the picture.
Christian fundies do pose a threat, but I'll deal w/ not being able to buy beer on Sunday here in GA ( except at a bar, after 12noon ). What I won't stand for is subways being ripped open by the next generation of jihadist who don't like how YOU live your life.
Quote:Yes, because it's oh so more important to hurl ad hominems toward me than attempt anything remotely close to having a coherent, intelligent conversation. I need not add anthing to your diatribe. It is what it is. I'll move on.
I realise terrorism is a new and scary thing for you that makes you wet your pants on a daily basis, so it seems like a big scary thing, but I've been facing it my entire life. I've realised that treating a bunch of ineffectual psychotic morons as the bogey man and keeping the night light on in case they jump out of the cupboard is pointless, maybe you'll stop listening to our fded up sensationalist media sometime and realise this rather simple fact too, but probably you won't. You have, after all, shown yourself to be incapable of independent thought.
Quote:Ahh, something of substance!
Where as Islamic terrorists can't do anything more than kill a couple of people, that's if they get really, really, really lucky, Right-wing Christian fundamentalists are gaining influence in US government, it is their stated purpose to infiltrate government and their stated purpose to tear down the barrier between church and state. They want to turn the US into a theocracy, and you trying to paint me as jealous because of that obviously means you want a Christian theocracy, enjoy your inquisition, they're a fixture of theocracies. I hope you're Christian enough for them, or maybe you'll be one of the inquisitors, I could believe that, you do support torture after all.
Oh, the Fundies ARE gainining influence ? WOw, I must have missed that, LVING HERE AS I HAPPEN TO DO , AND ALL. So, when Judge Roy Moore ( Captain 10 Commandments ) gets tossed off the Alabama State Supreme Court, and then pummelled at the ballot box, that's YOUR definition of fundies gaining influence? ( walks off stage, laughs hysterically, walks politely back ) The fundie movement has been a tug of war w/ the rest of the country for decades now. It comes and goes, but never really gains that much momentum w/ the rest of the country. My Christianity isn't an issue, but I do support 'torture' , as you put it, of Islamo nutcase fascists terrorist when getting info from them could save lives. I'm completely for that, yep! And religion has nothing to do w/ that, only being pragmatic. Quote:
That's the problem with people like you, you’re so arrogant and ignorant of anything outside your home town you think everyone must be jealous of you. Yes AU, everyone wants to be you, now take today’s medication, there's a good boy.
Hee, hee. You're so funny. People like you... *sigh*
Quote:Oh yah, you're being overrun by the Islamo fascist so convincingly, you don't even know it. Spain rolls over like a $ 10 whore after just 1 attack on its trains. France had riots all over by who? Muslims. Theo Van Gogh gets shot and stabbed to death by who ? An unapologetic Muslim. But since I'm a kno
And just so you know, from someone who actually lives in Europe, Islamic fundamentalists have less sway with governments over here than they do in America. Every time a Muslim fanatic says they hate America people like you soil themselves and demand all freedoms be curtailed in the name of 'safety'. Over here not so much.
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im not incredibly knowledgable about Islam..but i do find some basic contradictions with the overall message of God in scripture. among others, the Judeo/Christian ethic of "thou shalt not kill", appears to leave little room for murder and conquest over idealogical principles. also, atleast in Christianity, Martyrdom is when you die sumbissively, refusing to sumbit and compromise your ideals; im not so sure that suicide bombers or kamakazee missions qualify.
now, because Jesus' warns of false teachers and their destructive philosophies, it could be argued that such Islamic beliefs are antiChristian, or essentially false doctrines heretical to the messages of Jesus.
i like to think that Jesus teaches the Martin Luther King Jr. approach, which is "non-violance", tolerance and love; as opposed to that Malcolm X doctrine, which is "by any means neccessary".
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Where am I gonna go:
Not heard of the IRA, the Lords Resistance Army or half a dozen other Christian terrorists around the world? What if it's not against the US it doesn't count? Only American lives are worth anything? In fact I'm sure if I went looking I could dig up a few more Christian terrorists in the US, and certainly Christian motivated murders. How about we start, off the top of my head, with the KKK?
If you’re happy about a Christian Theocracy in America, or if you think Islamic terrorists on the other side of the world are more to worry about, you don't understand the dangers.
All you have to do is look to see the growing Christian fundamentalist influence on your government. Stop looking under your bed for the Islamic bogeyman and look about you for what’s really going on.
AU you are colossally uniformed, that's where I'm going to go.
You accuse me of starting a diatribe, when you started down that road. You don't get that you foster the reactions people have towards you.
Frankly it's a popular American attitude I see a lot (and the one YOU started out with), people don't like us because they are jealous of us. Get a clue, learn about the rest of the world before you start talking about it.
Which leads to the last question. If you understood what I was saying what was all the "you're jealous" bullshit about?
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And no, I meant Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's effects skilled movements. But if you'd prefer your attempts at insults and barbs to be likened to Parkinsons, thats okay by me.
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Originally posted by citizen:
Where am I gonna go:
Not heard of the IRA, the Lords Resistance Army or half a dozen other Christian terrorists around the world? What if it's not against the US it doesn't count? Only American lives are worth anything? In fact I'm sure if I went looking I could dig up a few more Christian terrorists in the US, and certainly Christian motivated murders. How about we start, off the top of my head, with the KKK?
If you’re happy about a Christian Theocracy in America, or if you think Islamic terrorists on the other side of the world are more to worry about, you don't understand the dangers.
All you have to do is look to see the growing Christian fundamentalist influence on your government. Stop looking under your bed for the Islamic bogeyman and look about you for what’s really going on.
AU you are colossally uniformed, that's where I'm going to go.
You accuse me of starting a diatribe, when you started down that road. You don't get that you foster the reactions people have towards you.
Frankly it's a popular American attitude I see a lot (and the one YOU started out with), people don't like us because they are jealous of us. Get a clue, learn about the rest of the world before you start talking about it.
Which leads to the last question. If you understood what I was saying what was all the "you're jealous" bullshit about?
EDIT:
And no, I meant Alzheimer's, Alzheimer's effects skilled movements. But if you'd prefer your attempts at insults and barbs to be likened to Parkinsons, thats okay by me.
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Citizen-- havent we been over this before? i want you to show me quotes of Jesus' permitting the behavior described? i am not arguing that insidious things are taking place, but they are not a result of the bibles doctrines; if anything, they are proof of the evil at work in the world. ive shown you before that Bush is a known occultist, and his actions and diceptive doctrines reflect that.
the KKK, or any other group with DIVISIVE motives is NOT christian, but occultic. once a group crosses that threshold of tolerance and love into aggressive preemption, they no longer represent christian ideals, but a perversion; period.
Jude 1 " for certain men whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. they are godless men, who change the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only sovereign Lord."
John 2 "Do not love the world, or anything in the world. if anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. for evertyhing in the world- the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes, and the boasting of what he has and does- comes not from the Father but form the world. the world and its desires pass away, but the man who does the will of God lives forever. Dear children this is the last hour, and as you ahve heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. this is how we know it is the last hour. they went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. for if they did, they would have remained with us"
2 Peter "but there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. they will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought you- bringing swift destruction on themselves. many will follow their shamefull ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. in their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping."
Jesus' among other things says "woe to you, teachers of the Law and pharisees, you hypocrites! you shut the kingdom of heaven in mens faces. you yourselves do not enter, nor will you let
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What's funny is an English bloke telling a boy from the Deep South about the KKK. Here we both are telling each other what we don't know about our own side of the pond. Guess that makes us both guilty, huh?
All I'll say is that were the Islamo movement kept over in the Mid East, it would be far less of a threat. Still a threat, but far less of one.
And as cracked as the likes of Kent Hovind, Jerry Falwell et al over here, they've still yet to pick up arms or call for a holy crusade against the rest of us. They know better. We all have our own guns. 
But for the Fundie theorcacy you speak of is , while not to be dismissed casualy, still a fair amount of amusement for most Americans. Fundie snake handlers remain , hidden up in the Appalachian hills, annoying snakes who occasionally get their bite on. The U.S.A. allows for such fringe kook and nutcase religious folks, knowing full well they'll never gain wide spread acceptance.
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Quote:Well hold on a minute, you did say something that was untrue in both circumstances and I did correct you. Plainly Christian Terrorists have killed more than one person, not only in the rest of the world but also in the US. So either I do know more about events in the country in which you live, or you are willfully ignoring information that doesn't support your supposition.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
What's funny is an English bloke telling a boy from the Deep South about the KKK.
Quote:If thats what you think that's what you think. I think different, and not, as you said earlier, because I'm jealous of you.
Fundie snake handlers remain , hidden up in the Appalachian hills, annoying snakes who occasionally get their bite on. The U.S.A. allows for such fringe kook and nutcase religious folks, knowing full well they'll never gain wide spread acceptance.
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Quote:Yes we have, but your argument remain falacious.
Originally posted by Antimason:
Citizen-- havent we been over this before? i want you to show me quotes of Jesus' permitting the behavior described?
Quote:The bible is very contradictory, in one place it will say "Thou Shalt not Kill" (Exodus 20:13) and in another it will say "The anger of God rose against them, and he killed their strongest men; he struck down the finest of Israel's young men. But in spite of this, the people kept on sinning. They refused to believe in his miracles. So he ended their lives in failure and gave them years of terror. When God killed some of them, the rest finally sought him. They repented and turned to God." (Psalms 78:31-34), legitimising the killing of people to gain followers.
but they are not a result of the bibles doctrines;
The stated purpose of the Lords Resistance Army, for instance, is to create a Christian Theocracy with the law based strictly off of the Ten Commandments. You can go on and on about how this is really the occult if you like, but they ARE Christians, whether they break your reading of the Bible is irrelevant because its clear they believe they are doing the Christian gods work.
In fact from a historical perspective their reading is more 'traditional'.
Quote:That doesn't mean they aren't Christian. I saw you're words against Islam earlier, in Islam one can only fight if they are attacked, and a martyr is someone who dies in battle with those who have attacked you. In other words Islamic terrorism is NOT supported by the Qur'an, you have to selectively read the doctrines, just like you do with the Bible. But this doesn't make it any less Islamic terrorism, any more than it makes Christian Terrorism any less Christian Terrorism.
the KKK, or any other group with DIVISIVE motives is NOT christian, but occultic. once a group crosses that threshold of tolerance and love into aggressive preemption, they no longer represent christian ideals, but a perversion; period.
Quote:Maybe you should look in to the one true Scotsman fallacy.
so clearly, greed, impure selfish lusts and ambitions, are opposed to the message of God. such people are not truly of the faith, or they are worshipping a false christ(antiChrist). what you are describing is people who are being decieved by false doctrines.
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Well hold on a minute, you did say something that was untrue in both circumstances and I did correct you. Plainly Christian Terrorists have killed more than one person, not only in the rest of the world but also in the US. So either I do know more about events in the country in which you live, or you are willfully ignoring information that doesn't support your supposition.
Fringe, kook whackos out there killing and claiming to be doing " God's work " are far and few between. The disparity between a random 'abortion doctor killer' and an Islamic suicide bomber are is on an absurdly large scale. Muslims killing other Muslims and other's rates in the 10,000's, if not higher, where as Christian killers are ...what, in the single digits for the year? If that ? Maybe if you did an honest, side by side comparison of identified terrorist and the #'s of victims each has tallied, I could admit my error. Until then, nah.
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I think different, and not, as you said earlier, because I'm jealous of you.
My 'jealous' comment was ,in part, tongue in cheek. I was trying to come up with some reason why you'd use such an overreaching word as 'Inquisition' to describe Christianity here in the U.S. From my point of view, such hyperbole was worthy of a 'neener neener' reply on my part.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
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