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Why 'the terrorists' are winning...

POSTED BY: STDOUBT
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Thursday, August 24, 2006 8:58 PM


This article is worth a read. He says it better
than I ever could.
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/08/what_the_terror.html

(And before anyone says "but we're thwarting attacks!", read the article, and remember how many billions of dollars we spend each MONTH on "the war on terror"... they ARE winning)

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:09 PM

Good article. He is so right. It is time to fight the terrorist the only way that will work.

Kelkhil

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:17 PM

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Originally posted by Kelkhil:
Good article. He is so right. It is time to fight the terrorist the only way that will work.

Kelkhil



Very good article...




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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:21 PM

This guy has a point.

I suppose the logical conclusion is that the only way to fight terrorism is to ignore it, and arrest the terrorists as silently as possible as they try to draw attention to themselves. Then we should charge them in regular courts with the most mundane boring things we can. Conspiracy to commit manslaugter, no one care, possession of illegal fire arms, no one cares, and hit them with 37 charges so you can lock them up for a good long while.

Then you never make a headline, life goes on, and no one knows that there are terrorists, or what they want. Then Al Qaeda would be forced to enter the political arena to make their point.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:31 PM

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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
This guy has a point.

I suppose the logical conclusion is that the only way to fight terrorism is to ignore it, and arrest the terrorists as silently as possible as they try to draw attention to themselves. Then we should charge them in regular courts with the most mundane boring things we can. Conspiracy to commit manslaugter, no one care, possession of illegal fire arms, no one cares, and hit them with 37 charges so you can lock them up for a good long while.

Then you never make a headline, life goes on, and no one knows that there are terrorists, or what they want. Then Al Qaeda would be forced to enter the political arena to make their point.

Exactly. This is exactly what I, for one, have been saying all along (only not so persuasively, it would seem). Bush's and Blair's policies have given terrorists more political klout than they have ever had.

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From the original article:
Another thought experiment: Imagine for a moment that the British government arrested the 23 suspects without fanfare. Imagine that the TSA and its European counterparts didn't engage in pointless airline-security measures like banning liquids. And imagine that the press didn't write about it endlessly, and that the politicians didn't use the event to remind us all how scared we should be. If we'd reacted that way, then the terrorists would have truly failed.

Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.



HKCavalier

Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 9:46 PM

He hits it right on the nose!

"Well, my days of not taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:40 PM

Absolutely. And when (ahem) certain people run around with their hair on fire screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!" I look at them funny... not because I don't understand the threat, I simply refuse to light my hair on fire too.

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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 10:55 PM

A excellent article!

Excerpt:
"Our job is to recognize that terrorism is just one of the risks we face, and not a particularly common one at that. And our job is to fight those politicians who use fear as an excuse to take away our liberties and promote security theater that wastes money and doesn't make us any safer."

My thoughts exactly.



"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation."
-Bertrand Russell

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Thursday, August 24, 2006 11:53 PM

Thanks for sharing it STDoubt. I'll the umpteenth to agree.

Can't Take My Gorram Sky

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Friday, August 25, 2006 1:16 AM

Wow. We agreed on something. All of us. And I noticed there were multiple political viewpoints represented. Huh.

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HK:
Exactly. This is exactly what I, for one, have been saying all along (only not so persuasively, it would seem). Bush's and Blair's policies have given terrorists more political klout than they have ever had.



Here's a scary thought: We've all been assuming probably that the fanfare is for our benefit, whether you think it's fear mongering or fishing trip stories "Hey, I caught one!"

But....

What if they actually do understand all of this, and that's the goal. They want to increase the terrorists power. It's not too far fetched an idea. Govts. on both sides got a lot of mileage out of the Cold War. Don't say the Soviet Union wasn't amazingly important to the radical militarists in the US and Europe, and that the same wasn't true in reverse on the other side. A giant powerful enemy with a deep seeded hatred of the west could be an enormous asset to those in power over here.

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