Serenity is 'fascist'?
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UPDATED: Friday, September 1, 2006 07:13
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He didn't say Serenity was Fascist. He said it was conservative. And he's right. In another time it would have been considered fascist. But not today.
The reason he called it conservative is because it states clearly that governments should not interfere too much with people's lives. BTW - That is what us crazy "Right Wing" people believe. Let the people govern themselves. I don't want to turn this into a political debate, but the Left Wing wants the government to be involved in everything. That doesn't mean they're going to put some drug in the air supply. I didn't say they were evil. Just that they want the government to be more involved. If you can relate to what Mal said about not letting the government make people "better", you may not be as liberal as you think. Personally, I'm only a little to the Right Wing. Both sides have good ideas.
Again, I'd hate to turn this into a political debate. Just giving my two cents.
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Hell yeah, we're fascists! And if Mr. 'Social Engineering' Goldberg doesn't like it, we'll just send some Brownshirts... er, I mean, Browncoats... over to his house to 'cleanse' him of the error inherent in his thinking! 
Seriously though, there is a difference between Individualism and Conservatism/Fascism. Perhaps Mr. Goldberg should understand the terms he uses before he uses them...
Hitler had some plans for 'social engineering', too, and they involved a homogeneous mindset on the part of The People, as in the Alliance. I'm glad that my forefathers laid their lives on the line to stop Hitler's plans to create a 'perfect world', and I don't consider them fascists for doing so...
Goldberg's just clueless, and frankly I'd expect a bit more discernment when throwing the term 'fascist' around, from someone with that surname. What? He didn't know his grandparents?
Incredulously,
zoid
ETA:
It looks like Goldberg (isn't this guy a wrassler?) is an Ultra Conservative, and was trying to say being labeled a 'fascist' isn't necessarily a bad thing; in fact, if you get called one by an Ultra Liberal, it's practically a badge of honor.
But, imo, being an 'Ultra' anything -- Left or Right -- is just wrong-headed. Nature abhors Rigidity even more than She abhors a Vacuum...
(NB: Like Nature, I likewise abhor a Vacuum. Thank God I have teenagers to do it for me. That and Mow The Lawn.)
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Pinko Commie? Isn't The National Review a leading conservative magazine? It sure ain't The New Republic!
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Originally posted by zoid:
Hitler had some plans for 'social engineering', too, and they involved a homogeneous mindset on the part of The People, as in the Alliance. I'm glad that my forefathers laid their lives on the line to stop Hitler's plans to create a 'perfect world
Wow, I really like this comparison. It just brings a flood of parallels when I think of it. I can almost see the Captain talking to Hitler
"So me and mine gotta lay down and die so you can live in your better world."
Wow, I can also see Hitler as the Operative where he's so devout in his belief that he doesnt care that what hes doing is evil but it must be done, so he thinks. Wow.
I dont know anything about politics so I have nothing to add about this subject. i'm not even sure if I know the true meaning of the word "fascist". but its still a good movie.
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"Irony" or "joke" ringing a bell here? Apparently I didn't do well with either. Ack! That was bad, wasn't it? Back to lurking then.
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dqbaby76:
Yup. And my Dad and his brothers, and my mother's brothers, all of whom (of age) saw combat in WWII, would have undoubtedly been labeled 'conservatives' and 'fascists' by the Liberal 'thinkers' of their day, too. They simply didn't want the government intruding into their lives, but were quick to join with their fellow countrymen in common cause, in that particular iteration of 'The War To Make The World Safe For Democracy".
I believe in Individualism, not Collectivism, regardless who's organizing the collective. I think Mal'd see it my way...
I mean, are we intelligent, adaptable humans, or are we cattle to be domesticated and herded? I choose to retain my own individuality, at any cost.
Respectfully,
zoid
P.S.
My Dad was only 16 when he joined the Navy, one day after Pearl Harbor...
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Originally posted by discariot:
"Irony" or "joke" ringing a bell here? Apparently I didn't do well with either. Ack! That was bad, wasn't it? Back to lurking then.
Sorry dude. Tone is sometimes hard to read on these things.
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Quote:Here! Here! (Or is it, "Hear! Hear!"?)
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I don't get the fuss.
The guy said that it would be villified as "fascist". He didn't say it was fascist, and he put the term in quotes - implying an incorrect use of it.
I think Serenity would be seen as subversive in the 1930s. Within the context of the big government New Deal making lives better, a movie demonstrating the evils of just such a government program would be seen as threatening, and deserving of villification.
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Quote:I don't believe I can answer that question with one broad, general response...
Originally posted by zoid:
I mean, are we intelligent, adaptable humans, or are we cattle to be domesticated and herded?
Not a Replicant Chrisisall
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Originally posted by nosadseven:Quote:Here! Here! (Or is it, "Hear! Hear!"?)
Originally posted by AgentRouka:
I don't get the fuss.
The guy said that it would be villified as "fascist". He didn't say it was fascist, and he put the term in quotes - implying an incorrect use of it.
Thank you!!!
I thought I was the only one... *g*
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