Time to bring Firefly back, this is ridiculous
POSTED BY: Jannici
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2006 09:40
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so after looking over the poll on this site, I am wondering what is holding Firefly back from returning? Just from what I gathered on that poll, thats well over 1 million dollars a year just from fans on this site. So what is holding Joss back? If he honestly can't find investors at this point he just plain isn't look hard enough. If Fox is too damn stupid to take Firefly back, then hit up the Sci Fi channel. They will put new episodes of Firefly on.
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Believe me, we're working on it. No one here is sure what the hold up is either.
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
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I don't think FOX wants to let go of the TV series rights, and Joss doesn't want to work with FOX ever again. SO, I think it's all pretty much up to FOX to sell the rights to air new Firefly epsiodes. Maybe, someday soon, they will give up the ghost and the Sci-Fi channel might pick it up. That would be shiney.
I know I'd donate $100 a season to get it started and keep it going.
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Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.
Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?
Just trying to understand what the deal is.
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First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.
Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.
As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?
~CK
You can't take the sky from me...
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.
Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?
Just trying to understand what the deal is.
I haven't seen done the impossible, I was just going off of what I've seen in the interviews and such on the internet, movie and DVD boxset of the TV series. If the case really is that FOX gave them back the rights to make a new season, then what is the hold-up?
Well, most of the cast is tied up in either movies or tv shows now. Joss might be waiting for them to become available again.
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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.
Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.
As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?
~CK
You can't take the sky from me...
Yeah, Joss pretty much said he never wanted to work with FOX again. They kept making him vindicate himself every 3rd step. Plus they wouldn't let him film in widescreen and do most of the other stuff he really wanted to do. FOX has always been more action, less story. And, Firefly, has a balance of action and story, maybe more story then action at times. Which, for fans like us, is ok and we like it the way Joss plays it out. FOX doesn't seem to like that type of story telling.
Joss + FOX = no solution/they don't mix
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Originally posted by FellowTraveler:
Forgive my ignorance, but I thought it said in "Done the Impossible" that F*X had given Whedon and company permission to shop the show to other networks and there were no takers.
Did F*X change their minds when they couldn't find another broadcaster and decide to keep the rights?
Just trying to understand what the deal is.
That's what I got from that same documentary. Joss said himself that the first thing he did when the show was cancelled was ask for the rights, and he got them. So maybe I was confused...
"We may experience some slight turbulence, and then... explode."
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Fox definitely still has some hold on the rights to develop Firefly for tv. When Universal got the movie rights, things were divided up very carefully. Lots of lawyers involved, I'm sure.
My best guess is that Joss asked to be allowed to shop the rights around, and Fox said yes, but then when Joss couldn't find any takers on the tv rights, the rights reverted back to Fox.
~CK
You can't take the sky from me...
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Originally posted by CaliforniaKaylee:
First off, a million dollars a year actually isn't all that much. There aren't many professional-level entertainment projects that can be created for a million dollars, much less a tv series with say 24 episodes per year. That would be about $41,666 per episode, and that would have to include all the writing, cast, crew, special effects, costuming, licensing, etc etc. Maybe if Joss wanted to do Firefly Shadow Puppet Theater, but otherwise, a million dollars a year simply isn't enough to do a tv show.
Secondly, the issue isn't in finding "investors". Fox has the tv rights locked up, and doesn't appear to have any intention of either using those rights, or selling them to someone else. If they were interested in selling the tv rights, I think they would have already sold them to Universal.
As long as Fox thinks that the license could be worth something somewhere down the road -- especially if they don't have to do anything to raise that worth, but rather can sit on their hands while Universal's side of the license grows the fanbase -- they are going to sit on it. And they won't greenlight another tv show unless Universal is making piles of money of the movie license. And even if they did, hasn't Joss said he wouldn't ever work with Fox again?
~CK
You can't take the sky from me...
You have a very good point on everything you just said. Besides, on the Pilot Serenity they spent like $9 million or so?
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