RWE Survey: Where you stand at a glance
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UPDATED: Thursday, August 24, 2006 01:46
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ABORTION (pro-choice): I wish it didn’t need to exist, but since it does, the government has no say in personal matters.
AL-QAEDA THREAT (exaggerated): Can you say “Military Industrial Complex?”
BUSH (con): Still not my President. (thank you PR!)
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (pro): With limits for certain crimes. Some people do not deserve to breathe my air.
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS (pancake): I want to believe the government had no part in this. (I trust my government as far as I can throw it.)
CROP CIRCLES (manmade): There is no E.T.
ETs (not): See above.
GOD (agnostic): There may be a greater power, but he seems not to care…
GLOBAL WARMING (manmade): This is obvious. You can’t fill the world with pollutants and NOT have it effect the climate.
GUN CONTROL (pro): How many machine guns do people need?
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS (defensible): If you were surrounded by people who don’t want you to exist, you might be a bit paranoid too!
PARANORMAL (no): No proof, all tricks.
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY (other) If I have to label myself - Libertarian.
TAXES (less): Much, much less. I’m tired of PORK!
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK (intentional): Don’t really care.
WAR ON TERROR (overboard): See “AL-QAEDA THREAT.” You can’t fight ideologies. Protect our borders…all of them!
WAR IRAQ (contrived): See “AL-QAEDA THREAT.” Bush lied. Period.
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Oh, this is a stoke the firefight sort of thread, but sure.
ABORTION (prolife, prochoice): solidly prolife, but this is a states rights issue.
AL-QAEDA THREAT (grave and imminent, exaggerated): somewhat exaggerated. I mean there is an al qaeda, and they are a destablizing force, but they are not what the admin. paints them as, I'm not convinced they did 9-11 or at least, not single-handedly
BUSH (pro, con): con. Not on every issue, but generally, he's a weak pres.
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (pro, con): con, i think the death penalty is an institution of big govt. minimal govt would exile its criminals. Why support big govts. right to silence you? I think I turned con on this issue with Timothy McVeigh. Not that he was a great humanist, but I think he had some stuff to say and was being silenced by execution. Gore Vidal thinks so too. I now know historically that this is a common tool of big govt.
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS (pancake, demolition, other): demolition brought the buildings down. Planes flew, crash, sure, but that's a demolition collapes. I'm 100% certain of nothing, but this has hit my 99.9%. It still doesn't answer the 'who' question, but it's pretty much locked solid that this is what happened.
CROP CIRCLES (manmade, paranormal): manmade, possibly animal. A lot of animal structures out there, but I'm stickign with my mexican pranksters.
ETs (exist, not): exist, but not on earth as a sentient settlement (ie, some earthling species may be of extraterrestrial origin, but if so, I sincerely doubt the know it. Remember, the indians of north america had know idea they came from asia, and it had only been a few thousand years.)
GOD (theist, agnostic, atheist): I'm strong in my faith which does not call for the existance of a god.
GLOBAL WARMING (manmade, not): a mix. Some is cyclical, but humans have helped.
GUN CONTROL (pro, con): Con. I'm of a mixed mind. I'd like a society which had no guns in it toi lower the amount of street crime, but people need access to guns to defend themselves. I suspect that the original intention of the founding fathers were 'a well ordered militia' like having guns stored at the local rod and gun club or something. I also think that it's meaningless unless the people can be guaranteed the same weapons at their potential attackers, which at the moment, their not.
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS (defensible, overboard): overboard. Israel has a right to protect itself from terrorists, and it wouldn't bug me if they just packed up all the arabs inside Israel and shipped them out, but they should stay out of gaza and the west bank, and definitely out of Lebanon. Everyone has a right to run their own society how they choose, including Israel, but also including Palestine.
PARANORMAL (exist, no): gut says no, but I think that it's more complicated than that. There are a lot of forces in the universe that modern science doesn't yet understand, which will have many magical effects. But most of the stuff the new agers come up with is total hogwash. Just wishful thinking.
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY (conservative, liberal, other): conservative
TAXES (more, less): defintely less. How about none? Govt. should sell what it owns, or provide services to a free market, and that way raise a small amount of money on which a limited govt. could be run.
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK (accidental, intentional): I really haven't studied it enough, I'd guess it was an accident.
WAR ON TERROR (defensible, overboard): overboard or neither, the war on terror is pure spin, it's a reign of terror idea.
WAR IRAQ (necessary, contrived): I don't know if it was contrived. I mean, Saddam Hussein was not just a bad guy, he was a regional threat. Here's a socialist dictator who had been aggessively attacking his neighbors since he came to power, and had killed over a million people. But the way it was sold, and executed, was bogus. I think that if they wanted to get rid of saddam, they could have gotten a lot of help from neighbors, especially Iran, and it would have been a very different conflict. But I'm beginning to suspect this was never
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ABORTION (prolife, prochoice): Some abortion should be legal, but Americans should be appalled at the disgraceful way it is used as a replacement for simple contraceptive. Roe-v-Wade should be overturned.
AL-QAEDA THREAT (grave and imminent, exaggerated): Most definitely grave and imminent.
BUSH (pro, con): Mostly pro.
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (pro, con): Mostly against. Capital punishment is so difficult to apply with certitude that it often amounts to decades of appeal and therefore often lacks promptness. Most people probably don’t deserve capital punishment, and of those that do, it is usually too good for them.
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS (pancake, demolition, other): WTC towers collapsed due to compromised structural integrity as a result of the impact of fuel laden airliners.
CROP CIRCLES (manmade, paranormal): I made them.
ETs (exist, not): Doesn’t matter. We will never encounter them, if they do exist.
GOD (theist, agnostic, atheist): Theist. Though some would undoubtedly allege that I’m agnostic.
GLOBAL WARMING (manmade, not): Anthropogenic warming is probably involved, but too much evidence exists for the earth’s variable, even dramatic, climate change, to believe that the whole of global warming is manmade.
GUN CONTROL (pro, con): We have enough gun control, as it is.
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS (defensible, overboard): Overzealous is usually the term, but Israel exists today because it was able to defend itself from the overwhelming militaries of repeated consecutive Arab invasions. Few of Israel’s Western critics would have done anything differently had the tables been turned.
PARANORMAL (exist, no): Unaided human perception is known to be very, very limited. There’s little reason to believe that technology, as much as it has expanded our perception, has shown us everything.
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY (conservative, liberal, other) On average probably libertarian.
TAXES (more, less): Defends on the situation. The economy is expanded by reducing taxes. So certainly less is good sometimes.
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK (accidental, intentional): Accidental. Poor situational awareness and overzealous Israeli defense. Other issues on the American side.
WAR ON TERROR (defensible, overboard): Defensible, though if people hadn’t have been pretending the world was full of roses and peaches back in the 90’s much of this would not be necessary today.
WAR IRAQ (necessary, contrived): Necessary, but too much humanitarian effort too early undermined our military accomplishments, and too much media bias and too little public engagement by the Bush administration has undermined our humanitarian accomplishments.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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ABORTION - prochoice
AL-QAEDA THREAT - exaggerated
BUSH - con, so very con. And I did try to have an open mind, but he's terrible
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT - con
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS - pancake, this demolition thing is silly. There's lots of other untruths behind 9/11, and arguing demolition is just a waste!
CROP CIRCLES - I don't have enough info to say
ETs - they definitely exist somewhere, not near here though
GOD - atheist
GLOBAL WARMING - not enough info to decide, although we're absolute idiots not to be taking preventice action.
GUN CONTROL - pro. Why is getting a gun easier than driving a car?
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS - Wayyyyyy overboard!! Ridiculous.
PARANORMAL - I doubt it, but you never know.
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY - liberal
TAXES - the top issue is to use the money better, ie, for imporving ourselves and not for attacking others!
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK - I don't know enough
WAR ON TERROR - overboard and falsified. It's more about getting oil.
WAR IRAQ - contrived, completely!! The first thing Dubya said after 9/11 (after a lot of vacant staring) was - dust off the Iraq attack plans, we're going after Saddam.
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I'm the president. I don't need to listen.
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ABORTION: pro-choice
AL-QAEDA THREAT: real but politically exploited
BUSH: con
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT: con
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS: pancake
CROP CIRCLES: no opinion
ETs: somewhere definitely
GOD: agnostic
GLOBAL WARMING: mostly manmade
GUN CONTROL: pro, to an extend
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS: overboard
PARANORMAL: I'm open-minded (see agnostic)
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY: socially liberal, otherwise somewhat undecided
TAXES: entirely dependent on how I see them used, dammit
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK: Shenme?
WAR ON TERROR: ridiculous propaganda
WAR IRAQ: contrived
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ABORTION (prolife, prochoice): personal prolife, political prochoice
AL-QAEDA THREAT (grave and imminent, exaggerated): both[\b]
BUSH (pro, con):con
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT (pro, con):con
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS (pancake, demolition, other):pancake
CROP CIRCLES (manmade, paranormal):manmade
ETs (exist, not):not like "Star Wars", but microbes and such
GOD (theist, agnostic, atheist):theist when sober, atheist when drunk
GLOBAL WARMING (manmade, not):both
GUN CONTROL (pro, con):very con
"Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the Peoples' Liberty's Teeth." - George Washington
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS (defensible, overboard):understandable, but overboard
PARANORMAL (exist, no):no
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY (conservative, liberal, other): a little bit from column A, a little bit from column B
TAXES (more, less):don't care. As long as it's put to good use.
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK (accidental, intentional): intentional
WAR ON TERROR (defensible, overboard): both
WAR IRAQ (necessary, contrived):both
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ABORTION - pro-choice. More access to birth control would be better.
AL-QAEDA THREAT - grave and imminent. Not just AQ, but terrorism in general is gonna be a problem
BUSH - Pro on most defense and security, con on "family values" stuff.
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT - pro, but applied very carefully
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS - pancake
CROP CIRCLES - probably manmade, unless it's the elves and faeries
ETs - Who knows?
GOD - Who knows?
GLOBAL WARMING - Some of both manmade and natural.
GUN CONTROL - Con, very
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS - Not very smart recently
PARANORMAL - Who knows?
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY - rightist libertarian(?)
TAXES - Better enforcement and less loopholes (Doesn't really go with "libertarian", but until the revolution bills gotta be paid.)
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK - accidental, based on the Israeli rules of engagement: If it ain't Israeli and you don't know what it is, shoot it.
WAR ON TERROR - defensible. There are people out there who want to hurt us. Regardless of their historical reasons, I don't want them to suceed
WAR IRAQ (necessary, contrived?): Don't really care anymore. I'd feel bad if we dumped the entire country like we did the Shia after Gulf War I.
"Keep the Shiny side up"
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Hey, nice thread! 
ABORTION: very pro-choice thru the first 4 mos. Would prefer to see better birth control tho.
AL-QAEDA THREAT: And all terrorists. Grave? Yes. As serious as overpopulation or global warming? No. Imminent? Who knows? Not worth curtailing civil liberties since can be done under FISA.
BUSH: Con.
CAPITAL PUNISHMENT: Used to be con, then pro, now I'm con again. There are way too many sleazy prosecutors and far too mistaken verdicts to be comfortable with the whole idea of putting someone to death. And besides, it doesn't do any good.
COLLAPSE WTC TOWERS: pancake
CROP CIRCLES: Far as I know, manmade. And a waste of food, too.
ETs: Of course they exist, just not here.
GOD: Against religion.
GLOBAL WARMING: Prolly manmade.
GUN CONTROL: For gun registration.
ISRAELI WAR TACTICS: Stupid
PARANORMAL: Exists. But altho there's a lot we don't underdstand that doesn't make it "para" anything.
POLITICAL IDEOLOGY: Dunno! Not a liberal, not a conservative, and not a libertarian.
TAXES: More for the corporations and the rich, less for everyone else.
USS LIBERTY 1967 ATTACK: Don't know.
WAR ON TERROR: Poor premise. It's being handled like a War on Poor People or a War on Druggies. But to the extent that one can fight a tactic, it's terribly misdirected, more like a war on liberty.
WAR IRAQ: Contrived.
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Quote:Thank you, Onlyfour. I feel honored that you would choose my thread to delurk. Like a talkshow host who just booked a cool guest.
Originally posted by ONLYFOUR:
As a long-time lurker (maybe a year or so) and an avid fan of Firefly and this particular board (RWE) I find it odd that this will be my first post (or nearly so), but I will bite
And Frem, you CRACK ME UP. Where d'you get that sense of humor?
Thanks everyone for chipping in. It's been really fascinating. Issues I thought would usually go together don't really. Like crop circles and ET, or Israel and USS Liberty, or taxes and political ideology.
And where are the rest of the RWE regulars? Citizen, Hero, Rue, SignyM, Auraptor, HKCavalier.....where are you guys?
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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And I say again- Cool thread!