Kaylee's Reaction in 'The Message'...

POSTED BY: Shrouded
UPDATED: Monday, August 21, 2006 23:41
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SHROUDED

Saturday, August 19, 2006 11:37 PM

Is it just me, or have other people noticed it too?

After the coffin is opened and they're heading back to the ship, Simon asks Kaylee, "Did we get something fun?" Kaylee brushes him off. At first, I believed it was because she was still angry at him, but as the episode progressed to the recording, to her reaction, it almost seemed as if... she *knew* him. You know, beforehand. I mean, it might just be because Kaylee's a good soul and she felt for him, but she's obviously seen dead bodies before (being aboard Serenity, it's hard not to).

Maybe it's just me, but I want to know if anyone else got this notion when they first saw it. I've seen it several times since, enough to believe it's just me, but it's still there... nagging at the back of my brain.

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When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't do that you sit still and watch episodes of Firefly.

AGENTROUKA

Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:37 PM

But.. later when they interact, there's no hint of it. I don't see why she wouldn't have mentioned it to anyone, too.

Kaylee's fairly judgmental throughout the episode, except toward Tracey who flatters her. I don't think it's more than anger at Simon and the relief of meeting someone who professes a strong sense of family, like Kaylee herself.

EMBERS

Monday, August 21, 2006 12:15 AM

I just took it that she was mad at Simon,
and for some reason Tracy's story resonated with her and she was kind of romanticizing him.
She is kind of a romantic soul and I think the tragedy of his young death touched her,
and of course putting so much attention on his last message had left her particularly vulnerable to him when it turns out he is alive....

I think the writers wanted to drive a wedge between Simon & Kaylee so it would be believable that she kind of 'fell' for Tracy so quickly)

SHROUDED

Monday, August 21, 2006 1:06 AM

Alright, guys, thanks. That really helped push it out of my mind.

I believed pretty much the same things, but I wanted to see if others did too. Now that I've got solid ground against the entire Kaylee-knowing-Tracey thing, I think I can finally push it out of my mind.

Though, it would make for an interesting parrallel of the episode... -cackle- Fanfiction idea!

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When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't do that you sit still and watch episodes of Firefly.

AURAPTOR

Monday, August 21, 2006 2:47 AM

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Originally posted by Shrouded:
Alright, guys, thanks. That really helped push it out of my mind.

I believed pretty much the same things, but I wanted to see if others did too. Now that I've got solid ground against the entire Kaylee-knowing-Tracey thing, I think I can finally push it out of my mind.

Though, it would make for an interesting parrallel of the episode... -cackle- Fanfiction idea!

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When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't do that you sit still and watch episodes of Firefly.

I think both Zoe and River said it best.

Simon is a boob.

People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss

" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "

TERRI

Monday, August 21, 2006 3:01 AM

Do you know what I think? I belive that if given more time (which is quickly becoming the Browncoat motto) Joss would have been able to expound upon Kaylee story a bit. Maybe the reason (well, another reason, because I agree with most of what my fellow Browncoats have mentioned before) that Kaylee reacts so deeply to Tracey's problem is because of her own parental history. What do we really know about Kaylee? What do we know about her parents, or even her history? Maybe she was seperated from her parents, and is afraid of dying out in the black, without telling them goodbye. I've always wondered about Kaylee. She's such a smart young woman, with this tremendous mechanical aptitude, and is extremely feel good, I can't imagine that she wouldn't be wanted on the best boats in the 'verse. And let's just say its that people underestimate her, cause she's a chick, well, as she'd have to do is what she did for Mal, show him that she knows what she's talking about, and her reputation would grow. Anyway, I was just trying to put different points of view out there.

MISSTRESSAHARA

Monday, August 21, 2006 6:48 AM

She has parents, if you recall in OOG when Mal asks how she knew how to fix the ship and she says just do it, she says my daddy says I got a gift, and when he says wanna be our mechanic she squeels and says I just gotta ask my folks. If we had gotten more epi's I have a feeling Joss would have shown them back on Kaylees planet meeting their folks and Simon feeling awkward around them (which to some would look snobby).

As for Kaylee brushing off Simon, any guy saying your really the only woman I can have because everyone else is either taken or my sister, well any girl would be pretty pissed at that. That's like some guy saying to a girl well since I can't have the cheerleader I might as well be with you. Maybe a bit out here but it's the same reaction.

As for Tracy I'm sorry Joss killed him off. Now there was someone I felt really had chemestry with Kaylee and would have made a better match. (I still don't see the relationship between Kaylee and Simon. Something is just off there)

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

AGENTROUKA

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:19 AM

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Originally posted by Misstressahara:
As for Kaylee brushing off Simon, any guy saying your really the only woman I can have because everyone else is either taken or my sister, well any girl would be pretty pissed at that. That's like some guy saying to a girl well since I can't have the cheerleader I might as well be with you. Maybe a bit out here but it's the same reaction.

Simon was trying to make a joke. Not a successful one, of course, but this was really an occasion of Kaylee's insecurity acting up just as much as Simon's lack of humorous judgment.

Kaylee's an odd creature in that she can be verty perceptive about people (say, Book in the pilot) and then she can be fairly dense. Simon is easily flustered, but she never tries to understand that. She expects him to say the right thing, and when he so obviously messes up she just gets mad without trying to place it in context.
Having Mal staring at you like he'll shoot you after waking up with Kaylee in "Jaynestown", yes, that can send a person stumbling over his words. Especially funny since it was obviously just a joke to Mal. Kaylee never even bothers to notice.

Then in the cow scene, she's pushing for compliments. He tries to make a joke and off she goes. She could have seen the humor if she wasn't so insecure, if she didn't hold Simon responsible for convincing her she has a chance with him. She's the one with the crush but she acts as passively as if he's supposed to woo her and gets angry when he fails to. It's weird.

That sort of insecurity makes her vulnerable to Tracey who's quite obviously playing to her admiration because it's another opportunity for him to use, just like Mal and Zoe are.

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As for Tracy I'm sorry Joss killed him off. Now there was someone I felt really had chemestry with Kaylee and would have made a better match. (I still don't see the relationship between Kaylee and Simon. Something is just off there)

He had no qualms about pulling a gun on her and taking her hostage, after spending a day flattering her and enjoying her flirting. I'm a bit confused about how that is chemistry.

Although I somewhat agree with you about Simon and Kaylee. I think Simon's words actually have an ironic truth to them.

MISSTRESSAHARA

Monday, August 21, 2006 7:28 AM

I stand by what I say, insecure or not ANY girl would have gotten pissed off, and yes I know what Tracy did, but the chemistry was more real between them then between her and Simon, and it's not on Kaylee's part.

If I'm a bitch, then life just got interesting

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Monday, August 21, 2006 8:41 AM

Bear in mind that Kaylee is very young. Younger than her years in many ways I think. Her reactions are always going to be that little bit immature. Hence romanticising about a dead guy who seemed so sweet and wanted to get back to his folks and would never have made such a stupid comment... then when the guy wakes up he seems just as sweet as she'd imagined, so naturally she felt a certain friendliness toward him.

I still think the Simon/Kaylee ship has more chemistry though

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