World War Three
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UPDATED: Monday, June 15, 2026 15:50
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:You heard it here first folks! Democracy is irrelevant! Anyone with the wrong opinions doesn't matter!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
3. Opinion polls are irrelevent. Most folks in the US don't agree w/ the theory of Evolution, despite the literal mountains of evidence for its support. Sorry, but the opinions of those who are woefully uninformed simply don't matter. Since Iraq was never tied directly to the 9/11 attack, or any any operational involvement w/ any of the previous terror attacks against the US ( except for the attempt at Bush 41's life when he visited Kuwait, after leaving office )
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The point Auraptor makes, that you cowardly brush off with sarcasm, is valid. Polls should not be trusted or used to make policy. The populace in general is preoccupied watching football or simply uninterested to have a say. He gives a perfect example in his post. And, in my opinion, one major problem with US politics is we permit the uninformed, uneducated, and the uninvolved to vote. I think people should be made to show some sort of knowledge in current events, and that they posses a basic proficiency in civics. I guess what I'm getting at is: If you can't name the current President, your Senator, your Congressman, that we are at war in Iraq, and name the three branches of government you cannot vote. That a volunteer of a political party picked a group of people up at church, told them who to vote for, took them to the polling station, gave them donuts and coffee, and gave them a ride home should not be all there is to having a vote count.
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{Just throwing this out for chum}
Not so much a theory but a plan already in the making.
I think the Chinese own a major port in California...usta be a military base... I think Clinton sold it to them and gave them a multiple warhead missle plan also?
Again I agree. A kid in the Clinton years? You might be the junior member here.
The Buchanan piece I found was an interesting read
http://www.buchanan.org/pa-97-0313.html
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USBROWNCOAT:
Well you're poor and 'cowardly' attempt at a personal attack aside 
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Since I know AURaptor better than you, and how he tends to think anyone with the 'wrong' (i.e. different to his) opinion is an idiot, I believe my post has more than a little truth in it.
As for the rest of your post I see you don't believe in representative Democracy either, you and AU should get on famously.
The word for the system you want is Oligarchy. Just out of curiosity, who decides who's smart enough to vote? What level of competence? Will there be a test to make sure they're "right thinkin'" folk?
The fact that voter opinion can be swayed by donuts and coffee is a fault with your education system and indeed your culture, and is not indicative of needing to keep the dumb down. You could start with actually funding public schools and not giving them over to be propaganda factories for the corporations.
"What's the atomic weight of Balonium?"
"Delicious?"
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Originally posted by citizen:
USBROWNCOAT:
Well you're poor and 'cowardly' attempt at a personal attack aside
Since I know AURaptor better than you, and how he tends to think anyone with the 'wrong' (i.e. different to his) opinion is an idiot, I believe my post has more than a little truth in it.
As for the rest of your post I see you don't believe in representative Democracy either, you and AU should get on famously.
The word for the system you want is Oligarchy. Just out of curiosity, who decides who's smart enough to vote? What level of competence? Will there be a test to make sure they're "right thinkin'" folk?
The fact that voter opinion can be swayed by donuts and coffee is a fault with your education system and indeed your culture, and is not indicative of needing to keep the dumb down. You could start with actually funding public schools and not giving them over to be propaganda factories for the corporations.
"What's the atomic weight of Balonium?"
"Delicious?"
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No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
If you notice beyond the cowardly shot. I posted a simple pre-vote questionnaire. If you pass you vote. Because you use words such as your culture and education system, I take it you are not a US citizen. Pity. However, in all nations that allow their citizens to vote you get that type of problem. Happens everywhere, England and Canada are two that I know of first hand. I have family who live there. They always complain about this when brought up. The only way to stop vote "whoring" is to use the above test. Period
And assuming you know the definition of oligarchy. Why would you use that term? You seem educated enough to know that it is a misrepresentation of what I described. Trying to make it sound negative? I prefer we call it a Democratic Edugarchy. Where the politically educated shall rule. Gosh I am evil.
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Yes the only way to stop stupid people voting is too not have representative democratic government; I believe that was my point.
When you start banning people who don't measure up from voting you are no longer living in a representative democracy, and you are walking down that nice path toward Oligarchy.
"Stupid people are ruining democracy!"
We ban stupid people.
"People who don't have any stake in the nation don't have a reason to stay informed or make good decisions"
We only let Land owners vote.
Point is that not only is that system not representative democratic government but you're setting a precedent that you are prepared to prevent the wrong type or people voting.
In fact your arguments sound pretty similar to arguments why only people who have served in the military should be given the vote, or why only land owners should be given the vote.
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Not at all. It would be civilians educated in civics and events that vote. They would come from all socio-eco-political segments of society. It would not mater if your dad was a general or you made sponges for a living. You had better be caught up on your civics when you show up to vote. Why do I have the feeling you assume it would be the poorer citizens that get disqualified to vote? There are probably more rich Americans who don't give a hoot about politics than poor ones. And you wouldn't lose your right to vote forever. Take a test next election cycle. It would just ensure that people who vote, in a given election, have a "slight" clue.
Representative democracy is for the states(That the state is represented before the government by population) NOT the people. Where would representation end Color, Sex, IQ, Religion, DOB,ETC....? Every time I here someone use it that way I cringe.
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The simple problem with your voter test, USB, is that somebody has to come up with the test and the test has to become the law of the land which means the test itself cannot help but be exptremely politicized.
Government should not be given the power to decide who's smart enough to vote. You do see how that could and certainly would become corrupted mighty quick. The point of having laws is to limit government's power over people, not limit the people's participation in the democratic process.
As you have observed, they do that quite efficiently on their own initiative. 
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:Because you're not listening to a word I'm saying that's why.
Originally posted by USBrowncoat:
Why do I have the feeling you assume it would be the poorer citizens that get disqualified to vote?
If you ban people from voting you no longer have representative democratic government, it's as simple as that. No if's, no but's, no "but they're ruining it for the rest of us" it's no longer representative democracy. It's democracy for those that measure up.
You can't means test democracy, it makes the whole thing pointless.
Once you've done that why not take it a bit further? I mean if you're not taking personal responcibility for protecting democracy, why should you benefit from it? I can see the army recruitment posters now.
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Very simple test read earlier post. Put it in any languages you want. Or a different test. We have them for driving, firearms, boating, employment, etc.. Whats wrong with one to vote? If it does not mater that the voter hasn't a clue and knows nothing, why not let a six year old vote? A three year old? Same principle.
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Lets be real here, you are not going to have millions disqualified. And it's not forever. And, as it stands, if our Government was a representation of our Country. It wouldn't be a bunch of white males with law degrees. Obviously that is the case. As it should be. The states pick their reps and prez. If they choose white males with law degrees so be it. But it should be done by citizens with some standard of proficiency.
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