The Actual Chance of a BDS
POSTED BY: ubergeek
UPDATED: Friday, August 25, 2006 04:12
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Originally posted by Whitefall:
Totally agree with 11th hour, but one thing i'd like to state, restate, cause it seems to be missing from the thread.
JOSS. IS. BUSY. AT THE MOMENT.
He is signed up to write Wonder Woman, and then he is doing a seperate project, Goners. That means, he cant do more firefly or serenity until he's finished those.
Quite frankly, I'm happy for him, happy for all of us. If wonder woman is a big success (and I really think it will be: it's got the male demographic from being a super hero wearing not much, it's got the women for being a woman super hero, it's got the fans of WW, it's got browncoats, and who knows, if word gets out it's being written by a feminist, we might even get some of the older folk), then Joss will be really cool. He'll be "Joss Whedon of Wonder Woman fame". Now I know we wanted him to have that from Serenity, but it was an unknown franchise, with unknown actors, and it was badly marketed. O, and here's another thing, I'm almost positive of:
Serenity DID break even, with about 25mil domestic, about 13mil world, and a ton more from DVDs, they did make their money back, and Uni is making profit. So a sequel isnt out the door. And they must understand that Serenity will make even more fans.
So, the way I see it, Joss is on a major project that markets itself (something Serenity couldnt do) plus maybe having a real marketing campaign, he'll raise in respectability, and that might even carry goners to success. If those work out, he'll have more freedom to do stuff, and frankly, if there is a serenity sequel, he could carry the ads better as "the writer/director of WW".
So that's my hopeful vision. It means waiting a few more years and all, but it's hopeful.
"But, these strong women characters?"
I hope you are right. I just have a bad feeling about Wonder Woman and the box office. I try to start a buzz amongst my guy friends and they could care less. These are the same guys who talked about upcoming titles Hulk, Superman, Batman, Daredevil etc, endlessly... One could look at Electra for a positive outcome for Joss. But even that was so-so. And to be honest I don't think doing a serious Super hero movie is what he is good at. I know he does a great job with women characters. But most of the beauty in his work lies in the witty and comical dialogue...that will not work in Wonder Woman. I only bring this up because I believe the future of FF in motion pictures relies on Joss not having another "flop"..It will be back to TV land. And the death of FireFly.
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Originally posted by ubergeek:
The problem with the reason that I think a new series won't be made is because Joss refuses to work with fox again. And I would bet that Fox has full controll of the rights and probbaly wont sell them.
How do you know FOX wouldn't be willing to strike some deal? If the price was attractive enough, they could be persuaded to sell. Maybe Universal wouldn't have to buy the rights, some type of profit sharing with FOX could be worked out.
It's quite possible that something could be worked out. If FOX were totally unwilling to make deals, they never would have allowed Joss to shop the project around after Firefly was cancelled.
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And yes, It did take some time for Serenity to be made. But usualy (and im talking generalities here) Sequels are *announced* in the first year or a little after. In the terms of a movie, The more time Passes Is a bad thing. As Dinalt wrote, the actors wont allways beable to do a movie. They Might be doing other things.
It can get tricky to coordinate the schedules of several different actors. But actors are always moving from job to job, arrangements can be made. The thing is, these actors love playing these roles so they are highly motivated to rework their schedules. Roles like these come around so very rarely. The chance to play such memorable characters, written extraordinarily well, is worth the effort to make happen.
As for the timing of when sequels are announced... not sure just how much any "rules" apply to Firefly/Serenity. This also isn't your standard Hollywood franchise. The next incarnation of the 'Verse may very well likely not be the regular way studios do things.
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Reading interviews from the Actors and Joss, it looks like they are loosing hope. And not because of the fan base, which is always growing. Because I think they are sick of waiting for the movie, and I think that Joss (as this has been said before) I getting sick of fighting just to tell his story.
Joss has stated that the next time he is the one who will need to be approached. He wants to continue the 'Verse, and it's understandable that he doesn't want to keep fighting to the degree that he has. It would be too exhausting, and too much of an expense of physical and psychic energy over the long haul. Makes total sense for him to move to the position where he is the one to be approached. He's also allowing the audience and popularity of the 'Verse to speak for itself.
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I remember seeing an Interview with Adam Baldwin. He stated that the *earlyist* that they could start production of the film would be 2008. And even that date wouldnt be certain. Cause you would have to wait or the actors to all be avalable.
Isn't so much that a studio must "wait" for them to be available so much as "plan" for it. With enough lead-in time the actors can make adjustments to their schedules.
Who knows, it might be the case that many of the actors will have hit a period where the roles they're considering are just not that exciting to them. They could be thrilled to make time in their schedule to return to the roles, as Joss has said, "they were born to play".
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Its not a question of giving up hope. Its a question of math.
Things can be arranged... you just gotta be good at math.
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Originally posted by Whitefall:
Totally agree with 11th hour, but one thing i'd like to state, restate, cause it seems to be missing from the thread.
JOSS. IS. BUSY. AT THE MOMENT.
He is signed up to write Wonder Woman, and then he is doing a seperate project, Goners. That means, he cant do more firefly or serenity until he's finished those.
A valid point. But Joss has stated that the next Serenity movie would be directed by Tim Minear.
Joss doesn't have to be a fully hands on with the next incarnations of the 'Verse. He has outstanding people who have worked with him for years to take up some of the roles that he did. Joss would remain at the helm, guiding everything, but he wouldn't have to be as totally emersed as he was with Serenity.
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Originally posted by kaneman:
I hope you are right. I just have a bad feeling about Wonder Woman and the box office. I try to start a buzz amongst my guy friends and they could care less. These are the same guys who talked about upcoming titles Hulk, Superman, Batman, Daredevil etc, endlessly... One could look at Electra for a positive outcome for Joss. But even that was so-so. And to be honest I don't think doing a serious Super hero movie is what he is good at. I know he does a great job with women characters. But most of the beauty in his work lies in the witty and comical dialogue...that will not work in Wonder Woman. I only bring this up because I believe the future of FF in motion pictures relies on Joss not having another "flop"..It will be back to TV land. And the death of FireFly.
100% in agreement with you there. I hope it does work out, and Wonder Woman's a great success.
But I also get the feeling that it could be a box office disaster, as I've talked to people like you, who were totally psyched about other superhero movies - but couldn't care less about WW.
And maybe I'm the only one here, lol, but I'll stick my neck on the block and say Wonder Woman was never really superhero material in my book anyway. (I just know I'll get stick for that, lol, but just being honest - other female superheroes yes, Electra, Storm etc. were all believable).
But I always found WW to be way too Kitsch, and never really took it seriously. Maybe the comics were better, but the TV series was as corny as Buck Rogers imho.
Maybe the movie will change my mind, but there's only so much you can do with what you're given - even a supremely talented guy like Joss. I think the only way I'd take it seriously, is if it was a lot darker than the series, and she dressed in a full body costume (as opposed to just being a male fantasy figure).
Maybe it'll work out great, but at the back of my mind, I suspect WW's popularity had more to do with a great body in a skimpy outfit - much as most people remember Erin Grays tightfitting outfits in Buck Rogers, lol.
Unpopular thoughts maybe, but I wish they'd given Joss a different project to work on.
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Originally posted by 11thHour:
Universal has a highly valuable resource in getting Joss under contract. They feel at this point that Joss working on a production that has a built-in familiarity with the public, like Wonder Woman, and is a far easier "sell" promotion-wise, is a great way to use his talents... profit-wise. Super hero movies, using highly established and popular characters, are practically guaranteed huge money makers. Can you blame Universal for wanting to turn their brilliant new acquisition loose on a super hero franchise that is tailor made for his sensibilities? Of course not. So Universal wants to direct his talents in that direction for a while... and make some big bucks. Well, good for them! ('course, it's frustrating for we who want more Serenity, NOW... )
Universal isn't making Wonder Woman. Warner Bros is, since Time Warner owns DC.
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WB is making the Wonder Woman movie.
I would bet that Universal is indeed banking on WWs success and of Joss Whedon's successful silver screen adaptation of the heroine if ever they would think to make another Serenity Movie. Universal does have a contract with the actors for a possible trilogy.
If Joss succeeds in WW, there will be a bigger chance for a Serenity sequel. Joss will prove that he is "bankable". He'll also prove that he does not only make quality films (that we love), but makes money-making films as well.
Joss is writing mad for WW. And it is a hard write-up. The character is very limited and has been incarnate, re-incarnated, re-introduced, killed, revived so many times. Heck! That would be so hard to write.
I bet Joss is thinking the same way. He wants to get this one on the money, but with the best quality he could give it.
Wonder Woman is his good chance to get another good chance.
I dread that this movie will fail terribly because this might prove disastrous to the possibility of a SERENITY SEQUEL and to the TV/Movie career of Joss.
THE SEQUEL
Nathan was asked about firefly going back to TV in the sci-fi channel. He reponded, "Can they (sci-fi channel) afford it?"
That got me thinking. Was he talking about the rights to the show or the cost of the production? Maybe both.
I am ruling out the possibility of another TV series (although I'd want more).
I'd go for a movie sequel. As I stated above, I hope that Joss Whedon's Wonder Woman will be a super success, and we get another chance for a Serenity sequel. I want more Book and Wash in it.
Does it necessarily have to apply that in the sequel, Book and Wash will have to be gone?
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If Joss proved succesful in his next venture into the silver screen, he will not need to fight for everything. The execs will be the one fighting to get him.
He might even gain back the pounds he lost. 
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So here's my two cents: I am obsessive with Firefly. I love the show. I love the comics that bridged. I love Serenity (though I won't lie that I was somewhat dissapointed.) I want things to continue. I want people to know about this thing. It is my main goal to recruit new browncoats. That said, I really don't much want this to become some huge deal. The very fact that Firefly is the underdog is what draws me to it. I've been a Lord of the Rings fan... but that's so commonplace now that the films are out. So I searched elsewhere. Firefly is the comunity we make it. We are the hangers-on, the hopeless hopers in a sense. And I'm fine with that.
Let's just leave it that I'm confused. I want more, but at the same time I'm content...
AgentRusco out.
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Originally posted by Windstruck:
Nathan was asked about firefly going back to TV in the sci-fi channel. He reponded, "Can they (sci-fi channel) afford it?"
That got me thinking. Was he talking about the rights to the show or the cost of the production? Maybe both.
Now what im about to say I have no proof of (excpet the fact that I read it somewhere)
SciFi, in order to purchse *production* rights to Firefly would be in the millions. And making the Series is expensive as well. I read that the Serenity Piolt episode cost 8.9 million cashy money to make. and each episode after that was anywhere from 1-3 million. (again I cant back up these numbers. All i know is i read these, and just cant remeber where)
This would be one expencive show to make.
Now, A mini series would be possible for HBO or Showtime. But Joss said that people have to approch him if they want Firefly 2/Serenity 2 made. So, if we can prove (which would be damn near impossable, but hey we are known for doing the impossable) to HBO/Showtime that a seccond season of Firefly would be proffitable. Now how we would go about proving that it would be profitable, that is a chalange.
(forgive any horrendous spelling mistakes I have made. I am a very bad speller and usualy wright anything I am going to post in a Text Editor. but its 1:08 AM and im a little to lazy to do that right now)
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Originally posted by Windstruck:
Nathan was asked about firefly going back to TV in the sci-fi channel. He reponded, "Can they (sci-fi channel) afford it?"
That got me thinking. Was he talking about the rights to the show or the cost of the production? Maybe both.
I watch a few shows on the Sci-Fi channel quite often, and there is no way that production costs for Firefly would be more than the Stargate series that are on. There's some fancy stuff in there. And some big expensive sets. And I don't know that the actors would cost more than Richard Dean Anderson. So I would have to guess that it's the initial costs that would be the problem.
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Originally posted by EmpXenu:
Universal isn't making Wonder Woman. Warner Bros is, since Time Warner owns DC.
Oops.
As I keep discovering, I get too emersed in work and continue to only absorb about half of what I read and hear...
Still, the part about Universal waiting until they see that the audience for the 'Verse is holding strong and growing, before they invest in any future incarnations of Serenity, still applies.
It's still Universal, right?
11th Hour
P.S.
I also still entertain the notion that the rights for Firefly may not have to be bought outright. Universal might be able to work some kind of licensing deal with 20th Century FOX, or profit sharing, or something. We're entering a period where studios are beginning to really rethink how to create and deliver entertainment, and how to come up with new business strategies.
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