World War Three
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Monday, June 15, 2026 15:50
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Dreamtrove- Remember all those anti-"Hun" diatribes from WWI? That's what you're sounding like, and that kind of rhetoric creates hysteria. Altho you're anti-PNAC in theory, in practice you're lending a hand by adopting anti-Muslim PNAC rhetoric. I'm reacting specifically to the statement
Quote:Since YOU defined the "sides" as xtian and muslim you don't leave much of an option to choose "other", do you?
The war between christians and muslims is on, and has been on since at least the 1990s. Are we on the right side?
Now, here's more hysteria-building
Quote:Iran has nukes?? Since when? If anyone were to nuke the USA, it would be Pakistan.
Bang, Ahmadinejaq Nukes Qatar, Iraq, our US bases.
Quote:Er, that would be... you?
Who said it was {a conflict about religion}?
Quote:Well, if you want my opinion, it's all about capitalism. Every war that we fought since WWII seems to be tied up with the protection and spread of corporations... either in some general way ("anti-communism") or in a specific way (indebting nations thru the World Bank and IMF so that their physical resources become the corporations'. Confessions of an Economi Hit Man)
...The situation is far more sinister than you envision it. I think I was on this page back in 2003 when we invaded, but there's much more digging to to, and not just for oil. Oil funds the war, but the war exists for the purpose of the war, it is its own end, it's fear and power and permanent global domination, the end to independence anywhere.
Quote:Sure, but why frame it as muslim v xtian?
But oil is a means to an end. Think about it. Why control the world's oil? where does it get you? Is there a purpose to doing it? What if you're already ungodly rich? would anyone do this to be richer? yes? no! they would do it for power. control the oil, hold the world hostage and push your extremist agenda. It's a complicated multilayered conflict, each level is probably more sinister than the last.
Quote:Where? When? Millions of people die every month from totally preventable causes and has nothing to do with muslim or xtian. The biggest "war" that I see is the "war" of the rich on the poor.
I'm not taking sides here. Just saying big war, wake up guys. 10 million and counting dead,
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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So, taking a bigger view....
There are three main contenders for world power and numerous smaller players who are aiming at regional power. The three main contenders are
United States (allied with Britain)
China (possibly allied with Russia and Central/ South America)
Islam
Each has an economic base and a world view and they don't overlap much, so any contention is likely to be asymmetric. Quite honestly, Islam's economic base in oil. I have the strong impression this current jihadism is the reaction of a peasant/ feudal culture to new economic realities. If you listen to their rhetoric, it's all about destroying the infidel and re-creating the past. The only way that Islam will "win" is if modern economy/ technology is universally disrupted (ie loss of oil) because because their economy is lower to the ground.
The United States represents a whole 'nother paradigm- individualism, materialism, and high productivity. I think if we want to win the war if ideas with Islam we have to offer another world view. Unfortunately ours has been competely corrupted by greed and the best we've been able to offer is dog-eat-dog capitalism, and to fuck everyone over while talking about freedom.
I'll get to China later.
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http://www.the-tribulation-network.com/denemcgriff/in_search_of_babylo
n_ch4.htm
"As we search for prophetic Babylon, we look for a country that has certain characteristics. Revelation 17, 18 and 19 deal with the characteristics of this nation, as does Daniel, Isaiah and other chapters. There are many hints here and there throughout scripture so we will look at some of the major themes. Revelation 17 describes “religious” Babylon as a harlot where the apostate Christian church aligns itself with a beast with ten horns which reigns over the kings of the earth. This harlot sits on seven mountains (not hills) standing for the seven continents. Revelation 18 deals with the judgment of a nation that has a vast commercial empire and all the nations trade with her by sea and the merchants become wealthy because she buys everything they produce (a great consumer nation). Chapter 19 describes a military power whose forces are amassed for the battle of Armageddon. References abound throughout the Bible and we will site them as we go.
But for now, let’s think about the identity of Babylon. Well, the first nation that comes to mind has got to be Iraq and that is kind of ruled out for now. Conventional wisdom would say Europe, but they aren’t really a unified nation but a collage of countries forming a loose trading union. They could hardly be described as a great consumer nation. They hardly have a worldwide presence, an offensive military and besides, they are so post-Christian, their churches are all but empty. That leaves Russia – hardly that powerful or Christian, and China and India are just beginning to emerge and are not Christian either.
So who could it be?"
without ruining it for you its AMERICA!!
my point: Babylon is a prostitute because of her trade and her compromises. should we be in defense of our actions? thats what this war is really about
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Kaneman
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It is par for the course.
I don't buy it. There's more connection in these campaigns, they're all post-cold war global conquest issues, and all involve the west and islamic radicals. It's not just a coincidence.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
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It is par for the course.
I don't buy it. There's more connection in these campaigns, they're all post-cold war global conquest issues, and all involve the west and islamic radicals. It's not just a coincidence.
Post cold war global conquest issues? Every time two major powers have gone head to head in a stalemate. History has givin it a "post" blank name. Don't think the cold war is anymore significant. So, let's not throw it in our "argument" to give it greater weight. Religions have always fought..always will..Quite ironic that religion is cause of so much historical evil. They don't all involve the "West" and Islam..I won't even comment on that. They do all involve two sides that think they are correct and the other is wrong. This goes on all over the globe..All through out history..Now is no different than any other time....Relax
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Signym
Since we're basically on the same side here, maybe we should stop nuking each other.
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anti-Muslim
Who me>? Hardly.
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Since YOU defined the "sides" as xtian and muslim you don't leave much of an option to choose "other", do you?
I was unaware that this was a christian forum? Everyone knows I'm not a chrisitan, it's no secret. Besides, the crusades were a war between christians and muslims, and yet a lot of christians (majority?) opposed the idea.
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Iran has nukes?? Since when? If anyone were to nuke the USA, it would be Pakistan.
Okay, pakistan, which ever, I was just predicting how the situation could get out of hand. Iran has nukes on order. As soon as we let Iran out of the NPT, which we're moronically pushing them towards they can get 100 nukes by the end of the day, because Iran has buckets of cash, it's really a fairly wealth nation, and former soviet republics are very poor, have nukes, and are run by lunatics. Anyway, He would do it because it's the logical thing to do. He doesn't want to see his country obliterated like Iraq or Lebanon, so, bam, piece of cake, US forces in the gulf are a sitting duck. Why wouldn't he do that?
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Who said it was {a conflict about religion}?
Er, that would be... you?
It's a fact that the people on the one side are muslims and on the other side they are christians in almost every instance except for the one where on was jewish.
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Well, if you want my opinion, it's all about capitalism.
I couldn't disagree with this more.
Bush co are running on not pure, but very corrupted, post wwii trotsky socialism. The whole NWO came out of the SWP, which is a socialist extremist group, and the american communist party, which is as its name suggests.
The social dems came out of these groups, as did the neocons, who largely came from the social dems.
Corporatism is not capitalism, it is almost the exact opposite of free-market capitalism.
Definition of corporatism is the merger of corporation and state. That's not a very capitalistic idea, it's an almost soviet idea.
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Every war that we fought since WWII seems to be tied up with the protection and spread of corporations...
Not entirely disagreeing, but not ALL corporations. certain corporate-govt cabals.
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either in some general way ("anti-communism")
anti-leninist, because leninism is a power structure that neothugs can't take over. Because it's run by someone else.
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World Bank and IMF
are a giant money laundering system to steal cash, it's a loop system that gives you 2x your money, once when you cash the insurance, and once when you blackmail the petty dictator into destroying his country to pay you back. It's not really captialist, it's theft.
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Sure, but why frame it as muslim v xtian?
Not framing it. Just finding the single unifying factor. Osama Bin Laden isn't a Muslim? What about Zarqawi, Zawahiri, Al Sadr? Bush isn't a Christian? Or Blair? It's just a statement of fact, bunch of muslims on one side, arabs, euros and africas, bunch of chrisitans on the other side.
Not saying that's what it's all about, though, in part, it's about that, but that's who's fighting the war.
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Where? When? Millions of people die every month from totally preventable causes and has nothing to do with muslim or xtian. The biggest "war" that I see is the "war" of the rich on the poor.
The post opened being about the actual war in the middle east, east africa, se europe and central asia, a regional conflict which began at, or just before, our invasion of iraq, which was in 1991, not in 2003. (In 2002 for example, more explosives were dropped on Iraq than in the entire gulf war. More people were killed by US efforts in Iraq during the clinton years than both bush's combined, ergo, it's one big war) And a big regional war. If you dig up who's fighting in Darfur, who fought in yugoslavia, same people, same side, on both sides, so, in the sense that World wa
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Auraptor,
OBL attacked WTC is a conspiracy theory.
1. 9.11 was a conspiracy, no lonegunman can pull this off, makes it a conspiracy, which is a crime.
2. He says he didn't, and we have no proof, ergo, it's a theory.
3. To which you subscribe.
36% of americans believe in at least some US involvement.
56% of believe saddam hussein was involved in the planning.
8% believe that there was no US or Iraqi involvement. That's a fringe theory.
1.OBL did indeed orchestrate the WTC attack. That is a proven fact. And sorry, but it has been proven that , contrary to public misconception, 1 lone gunman COULD infact pull off 3 shots in the amount of time.
2. Doesn't matter what he says, he declared war on the US back in '98. And yes, we do have proof.
3. Opinion polls are irrelevent. Most folks in the US don't agree w/ the theory of Evolution, despite the literal mountains of evidence for its support. Sorry, but the opinions of those who are woefully uninformed simply don't matter. Since Iraq was never tied directly to the 9/11 attack, or any any operational involvement w/ any of the previous terror attacks against the US ( except for the attempt at Bush 41's life when he visited Kuwait, after leaving office )
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Auraptor
1. is nonsense. I've seen about 10 times as much proof to support the idea that someone here did it.
2. not disagreeing with you here.
3. except when it comes to rosepetal parades.
As I said before 36% of us, and when i was here b4 i was definitely not in that camp, but i have been deluged by conspiracy junk, 90% of which was utter trash, and the other 10% was a holy f^&k of revelation. It's just a lock solid case. If the official story weren't an arrogant moron it would have tempered itself long ago. Now they've totally lost credibility with the rest of us.
Which means, every amount of distrust you have towards bin laden's supporters, 1/3 of us have towards neocon supporters. If you don't support neocons, as you suggested you don't, and as I said, show me how. When do we stop obsessing about MEFTA and NWO, when do we allow iraqis to own their own oil, when do we back down and use diplomacy with iran, when do we force israel out of lebanon, why are these the totally obvious positions for any traditional conservative? To say absolutely nothing of the reems to be said on domestic policy. Spending anyone?
At the moment, the way it looks from here, OBL is an enemy of America, sure. he's the mosquito in our ear. But Bush/Clinton is the big MF godzilla about to eat our heads. Swat bin laden in your spare time, but don't pray to godzilla.
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Quote:You heard it here first folks! Democracy is irrelevant! Anyone with the wrong opinions doesn't matter!
Originally posted by AURaptor:
3. Opinion polls are irrelevent. Most folks in the US don't agree w/ the theory of Evolution, despite the literal mountains of evidence for its support. Sorry, but the opinions of those who are woefully uninformed simply don't matter. Since Iraq was never tied directly to the 9/11 attack, or any any operational involvement w/ any of the previous terror attacks against the US ( except for the attempt at Bush 41's life when he visited Kuwait, after leaving office )
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
dukkatiQuote:
WWIII has been happening for at least ...umm... well since Israel was given back their nation. That really pissed them Muslims off.HAHA
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Can't be. 1919, near the end of WWI, Uk cature of palestine. (arguably WWI continues to 1921 because, inspite of the armistice, fighting continued until, yes, a republican was elected.)Quote:
My word I sure hope it doesn't come to fighting in trenches on our own soil...I hope that before it comes to that we haven't let the government take our weapons away.
I've been through the system.
It dont work.
Do it on their soil not ours.
A post I can wholeheartedly agree with. Gun control would leave american forces alone to defend america. Nothing against our troops, but after Katrina, (&WTC?) I've lost faith in our govt's committment to defending us. We'd need to defend the US george washington style if we want to win.
I'm not sure who would invade america proper, but then, in a war, you never know. I know that there are muslim refugees here who might take arms against us, particularly if our govt. keeps its genocidal campaigns against muslims (count those millions internationally) but it might be someone else entirely, I can see china, or even the bolivarians, doing it in a total oppertunistic move if things got bad enough.
Picture this scenario: The US attacks Iran, and China defense it (she said she would) Pakistan and the former soviet central asians side with Iran-China. Massive US overseas effort, Bang, Ahmadinejaq Nukes Qatar, Iraq, our US bases. Suddenly we have no army. It would only last a brief time, but with US forces including national guard abroad (Oh come on, you don't REALLY believe bush would leave forces behind to defend? Why would he? After all, to be fair, this is a mistake that has been made at least 100 times in history) China might just decide to invade. In spite of all the market reforms, the chinese govt. is still communist, and they still believe that world domination of the communist partt is possible (and they're doing pretty well at it, look at how much of south america they've picked up in the last 10 years, ie. virtually all of it)
So sure, scary thought.
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{Just throwing this out for chum}
Not so much a theory but a plan already in the making.
I think the Chinese own a major port in California...usta be a military base... I think Clinton sold it to them and gave them a multiple warhead missle plan also?
I was just a kid when that happened so I don't know all the details.
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