World War Three
POSTED BY: dreamtrove
UPDATED: Monday, June 15, 2026 15:50
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Originally posted by antimason:
if you look into the NWO conspiracy, you find these same forces and motives at work PRESENTLY, in America! but because of the "War on Terror" propoganda, Americans are welcoming it
You see what you want to see. Matter of fact people been seeing this stuff for about the last couple centuries.
One thing is clear, you can't predict it nor can you stop it. Its completely out of your control. So just relax, let it happen, or relax and when it doesn't happen (this time) then you havn't wasted money on ten thousand rolls of toilet paper and a wood burning stove.
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Quote:"Determined to" does not mean "in a position to." The only political power a terrorist has it the power you grant him. Terrorist plots can be foiled without starting WWIII; just needs a little respect for the Intelligence Community on the part of the Executive Branch. Oh well.
Originally posted by Hero:
So you are arguing that we created the dangerous fanatics determined to kill us all. Does this mean that we don't have a right to defend ourselves?H
Hero imagines the terrorists have us surrounded on the prairie. How thrilling. Guess if I watched more Gunsmoke in my youth, I'd know how to fight the GWOT. Oh well.
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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Quote:Well, mebbe if we figure out what we did/are doing wrong then we can at least stop. What's that cowboy phrase? If you find yourself in a hole the first thing to do is stop digging?
So you are arguing that we created the dangerous fanatics determined to kill us all. It seems your so caught up in the "we created" part you forget the "determined to kill us all" part. Personally I think that if they kill us, it doesn't matter if we caused it or not. Lets survive first and then we'll feel bad later. I mean you are the guy urging the settlers not to circle the wagons and fight off the indians trying to massacre them (he's usually the first one killed, by the way). We'll figure out the history later...if anyone is left to write it down.
Our job, as I see it, is to slowly step back from the precipice. Avoid occupying foreign territories as much as pssible while distenagling the mess we made- which will take decades to undo seeing as it took decades to create.
So, first things first: We have to stop occupying Iraq, even if it means splitting Iraq into three. We have to recognize Iran's legitimate national interests, including nuclear independence. We need to press Israel to not only w/draw to their borders but to allow the Palestinians free movement within their autonomous areas so that they can build an economic base. (If your economy had 70% unemployment, wouldn't YOU create an armed movement?)
We're going to take in on the chin in terms of oil prices. You know what? WE DESERVE IT. Who's old enough to remember the gasoline crisis of the 70's? Anyone? Raise your hand! (raises hand) I looked at those people buying SUVs and I kept thinking... cheap gas prices are not ging to last forever... We're going to have to the oil crunch sooner or later. May as well face it in our terms.
That's just a start.
The Romans knew and accepted that they had built an empire. Rebellious strikes from under the boot heel were an accepted part of the package. But the American people (not the leaders- the people)... are so convinced that we represent "freedom" that we were facing backwards while our leaders took over the world, until they were talking openly about the "unipolar moment" and NOBODY recognized what that meant: Empire.
Quote:Of course. We just need to recognize WHO WE ARE. And we ARE NOT the Middle East, South and Central America, Indonesia, or the Phillipines. We're not "liberty" or "freedom" or "democracy" or "Christianity". WE ARE JUST PEOPLE. We're just people who've slept-walked into imperialism.
Does this mean that we don't have a right to defend ourselves?
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Quote:And this Mf*cker is pushing for WWIII as hard as he can.
President Bush called the U.N. resolution that took effect Monday a defeat for the Hezbollah militants. Saying Iran was supplying Hezbollah with weapons, Bush added: "We can only imagine how much more dangerous this conflict would be if Iran had the nuclear weapon it seeks."
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Reality sucks. Especially when it contradicts our cherished ideas.
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Auraptor,
OBL attacked WTC is a conspiracy theory.
1. 9.11 was a conspiracy, no lonegunman can pull this off, makes it a conspiracy, which is a crime.
2. He says he didn't, and we have no proof, ergo, it's a theory.
3. To which you subscribe.
36% of americans believe in at least some US involvement.
56% of believe saddam hussein was involved in the planning.
8% believe that there was no US or Iraqi involvement. That's a fringe theory.
Moving on...
dukkati
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WWIII has been happening for at least ...umm... well since Israel was given back their nation. That really pissed them Muslims off.HAHA
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Can't be. 1919, near the end of WWI, Uk cature of palestine. (arguably WWI continues to 1921 because, inspite of the armistice, fighting continued until, yes, a republican was elected.)Quote:
My word I sure hope it doesn't come to fighting in trenches on our own soil...I hope that before it comes to that we haven't let the government take our weapons away.
I've been through the system.
It dont work.
Do it on their soil not ours.
A post I can wholeheartedly agree with. Gun control would leave american forces alone to defend america. Nothing against our troops, but after Katrina, (&WTC?) I've lost faith in our govt's committment to defending us. We'd need to defend the US george washington style if we want to win.
I'm not sure who would invade america proper, but then, in a war, you never know. I know that there are muslim refugees here who might take arms against us, particularly if our govt. keeps its genocidal campaigns against muslims (count those millions internationally) but it might be someone else entirely, I can see china, or even the bolivarians, doing it in a total oppertunistic move if things got bad enough.
Picture this scenario: The US attacks Iran, and China defense it (she said she would) Pakistan and the former soviet central asians side with Iran-China. Massive US overseas effort, Bang, Ahmadinejaq Nukes Qatar, Iraq, our US bases. Suddenly we have no army. It would only last a brief time, but with US forces including national guard abroad (Oh come on, you don't REALLY believe bush would leave forces behind to defend? Why would he? After all, to be fair, this is a mistake that has been made at least 100 times in history) China might just decide to invade. In spite of all the market reforms, the chinese govt. is still communist, and they still believe that world domination of the communist partt is possible (and they're doing pretty well at it, look at how much of south america they've picked up in the last 10 years, ie. virtually all of it)
So sure, scary thought.
Antimason,
Do you really think republicans and democrats matter here? I don't think the GOP has much to do with this, nor the Dems, it's the bipartisan groups, neocons, trilaterals, etc. Dem party leadership *is* the republican party leadership. Dems as a whole are more blind to the situation than republicans, no offense dems, (Oh yeah? Try asking each to see how many would desert their party to vote for their values on third party ticket, elections have shown us about 20% of conservatives and 2% of liberals, ie. you guys really need to pry yourselves away from the dems, Clinton is Bush, Bush is Clinton. Ben is Glory - sorry I can't say it enough times)
I really this is going to be the Hillary Admin pretty soon here, and nothing is going to change. Some surface stuff for appearance, but the central core of ideas will be go zion, go wwiii, go mergers and monopolies, kill your civil rights, it's your birthday.
A terrorist attack is always real, even if the terorrists are americans. It's never 'staged' like the Reichstag fire, because the attackers were not the same as the attacked. I think everyone has ruled out the WTC, port authority, or at the very least the companies with, as potential conspirators. I make this point because I know a guy who is an idiot but he got caught staging a robbery of his own store. WTC is not Perle's property, or Cheney's, and so if they blew iNOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
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Dreamtrove- Wow. When did you go off the deep end?
Excuse me? I've been reading a lot, analyzing. It's everyone else, not me. I'm somewhat serious, the situation is very very different from how it's being portrayed in the MSM
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I'm not blind to the conflict. I think more than anyone I'm fully aware of how much people around the world hate us, especially the Middle East. But the conflict is not just about religion.
Who said it was? I'm sorry clarification. Chirstians represent a western influence, Muslims represent an eastern one, generally speaking, it's not a perfect match, but to say there was no US or Al Qaeda involvement in the conflict in Darfur, or Rwanda or Yugoslavia is just to not have been paying any attention. This is certainly all part of the same larger conflict, these are not isolated events by any means. Destroying Islam (which is too effective at growing arab populations) is one of the smaller agendas on the agenda, like spreading puppet democracy, creating friendly buffer states for israel, stealing oil, etc. all within the must larger world conquest/control agenda.
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Might as well say that the conflict between the USA and the USSR was about the godlessness or that WWII was about fascism. But if you, Bush, and other fanatics keep pushing that button it WILL become a war about religion.
Whoa! this is way out of line. NO NO NO NO NO I'm not saying this. But there is most certainly an anti-islam element of this conflict. Members of the Bush admin have said it many times. Cambone said "this isnt a war on terorrism so much as it is a crusade against islam" or something like that. So they intend to destroy islam, as a part of a broader agenda.
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There is ONLY ONE REASON why we're fighting, and it's all about oil and has always been about oil.
This is patently not so. Wars in lebanon, attack on Syria, have nothing to do with oil. Sure, oil is a part of the broader agenda, it's why the middle east instead of indochina. Now, that is. But it's just a little piece in a big puzzle. If this were about oil it would be over already.
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Take oil out of the equation and we'd be more than happy to leave the Middle East with it's religion and it's peasant economy, no matter how stupid and benighted we see it. Without oil the whole Middle East just becomes a big hot dusty sandbox, something to go around on the way to more interesting places, as vital to us as... oh, say... Rwanda.
Or Darfur, where there's plenty of oil, all over africa. We just don't send troops, we want black people to fight, but we do arm them.
Sygnym, the situation is far more sinister than you envision it. I think I was on this page back in 2003 when we invaded, but there's much more digging to to, and not just for oil. Oil funds the war, but the war exists for the purpose of the war, it is its own end, it's fear and power and permanent global domination, the end to independence anywhere.
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Put oil IN the equation and all of the sudden there's a whole history of puppet governments and military bases and foreign interference. The Shah, the Saudi Royal family, the Taliban, Saddam, bases all over, American troops everyhwere...
SAY, YOU DON'T SUPPOSE THAT'S WHAT MIDDLE EASTERNERS MIGHT BE REACTING TO, DO YOU??? A sense of ongoing national, cultural and economic violation? NAH, couldn't be...
Not arguing. But oil is a means to an end. Think about it. Why control the world's oil? where does it get you? Is there a purpose to doing it? What if you're already ungodly rich? would anyone do this to be richer? yes? no! they would do it for power. control the oil, hold the world hostage and push your extremist agenda. It's a complicated multilayered conflict, each level is probably more sinister than the last.
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Unfortunately, religion is a convenient TOOL to rouse people. It's happening here... and DT you're being worked as well as anyone... so why shouldn't it happen there?
No, I'm not, I see it for what it is, as if you re
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Signym
Not sucked in. Open your eyes. Big war is here. OBL didn't attack us on 9-11, PNAC did.
I'm not taking sides here. Just saying big war, wake up guys. 10 million and counting dead, and everyone voted for it, time to wake up before you continue to support it when it comes up and is called Hillary or Condi. (Yep, sorry, Condi jumped off of my good republican list into the sea of neocon evil. I think it was the campaigning for nuking Iran that did it.)
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Hero,
your still an arrogant prick, though I see now you're willing to admit that WWII didn't end conflict.
This conflict is of 25 middle-east nations who all border one another, not little random conflicts.
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you really should be voting Republican since the "Democrats Can't Defend America" (which is also Ned Lamont's theme song...sung to the tune of 'Oops I did it again').
Nice to have a shameless partisan plug. I think I'll probably vote for some fringe looney like Pat Buchanan unless we can get a decent GOP candidate in like Hagel.
Ned Lamont is too much of a neocon for me ;) just not as much as joementum. which is not a reference to joe's jewishness.
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Signym,
You really need to read anti-mason's posts. He has another piece of the puzzle which is not oil. Not saying there's isn't a big oil part of the slippery puzzle. But this is so much bigger than oil. I'd love to one day wake up and hear that it was only about oil. Then it might end soon.
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Originally posted by dreamtrove:
So I say again
1/2 the world. 3 continents. 25 nations, 45 if you include those that attack, but have not been attacked. 20 million combatants who has seen combat. 40 million somehow connected to combat. 10 million dead and counting.
Where does World War Three begin for you? Or where did it being? Where does it end? Is that end in sight? Will it come to Mainland American shores? WWI and WWII didn't.
The war between christians and muslims is on, and has been on since at least the 1990s. Are we on the right side?
And all the questions that follow such as what do we do about it?
It is par for the course. There has always been multiple human conflicts going on simultaneously...always will. So if that is your criteria for naming something a World War, and I am not saying you are wrong, aren't we really still in World War I? And didn't World War 1 start, like..erm....eons ago?
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