A question for those of you who support Israel....
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Quote:I don't have a wife, why do you assume I do and that I beat her would be a more pertinent question?
Originally posted by AURaptor:
You brought up Sinn Fien, not I. By the way, have you stopped beating your wife yet ? Don't tell me what I think or don't think on the issue, and do NOT try to intermix 2 unrelated issues for the sake of trying to win your case.
Yes I bought up Sinn 'Fein' because Sinn Fein is a recognised political party with a militia group, something you said doesn't exist, I prove it does, you throw a hissy fit.
Furthermore what you said was deeply fucking insulting, my parents were nearly killed by an IRA bomb and you brush the IRA off because they don't have 3000 Katyusha Rockets. Well if that's your attitude, if you’re prepared to play favourites with Terrorist organisations to prove some point fuck you, because *IF* that is the case your opinion is meaningless.
One single point that I refuted with one single point, you are the one trying to expand it into a larger issue, why is that?
Quote:Well isn't this YOUR standard operating procedure, if some evidence doesn't backup your position we should just remove it from the equation. My bringing up Ireland was specifically to disprove your supposition that no recognised political parties have a militia, which I've done, which I imagine is why you don't want Sinn Fein considered anymore.
I'm not talking Ireland, but am talking about ISRAEL.....as was asked by the thread.
Quote:Yes because its me making myself look like an ass
You don't make quite as big an ass of yourself that way.
Quote:Well like that's a good start, except you didn't say that, you set Americans of Irish decent apart from the rest of the population by saying, and I quote: "Irish living in America". Not Irish Americans, not Americans of Irish decent, you qualified them as Irish who happen to be living in America, you set them apart from the rest of the population.
Some Americans ARE of Irish ancestory. How else should I put it?
Quote:Because I'd be stupid for not knowing the ethnicity of some guy on an internet forum
I am a Native American, you pin head.
, not that this statement actually has any bearing on anything. This entire statement is just stupidity personified.But then I believe you'd say anything in order to win a debate.
Quote:And Celts lived in England, the English aren't Celts and Italians aren't Romans. Not that I didn't see this coming a mile off.
Romans were from Italy, were they not ?
Quote:It's really rather simple, again slightly depressing that you need it spelled out. You’re making overtones that people who are there first have more rights than people who are there later, so if Romans turned up I think given your obvious 'insights' you should be the one to explain to the Italians why Maximus Dessimus Derridius has more right to their Apartments than they do.
Why would I be sent to Italy to tell them to STFU ? I don't speak the language, for starters. Nor do I care.
Quote:Well I do have trouble dropping down to your level yes, but at the end of the day you were the one that set Irish Americans apart from Americans.
Once again, you've show you have trouble when you try to make up what it is I think.
Quote:As well as Native American, wow I happen to mention the Irish and Native Americans and I hit your ethnicity on the head. Quite a coincidence that.
I happen to be part Irish.
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Citizen,
Why doubt? I'd be not at all surprised that Auraptor was part Irish part Native American, it's not that unlikely a thing to be.
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Quote:Because I honestly believe he'd say anything to win here, that and his ethnicity means zero and proves nothing.
Originally posted by dreamtrove:
Citizen,
Why doubt? I'd be not at all surprised that Auraptor was part Irish part Native American, it's not that unlikely a thing to be.
He brings up that he's a Native American because I refute the idea that the Jewish have more claim to the land than the Palestinians because they were there first by trying to put it in a more personal context for him, the idea that maybe some Native American doesn't have more right to his house just because his tribe claimed the area two hundred years ago.
He bypasses the sentiment and says "but I am Native American!" Well so the hell what? That doesn't change the sentiment at all.
Likewise he openly sets those of Irish decent apart from other Americans then says "But I'm Irish!" So the hell what? Doesn't change the words he typed or their meaning one Iota.
I don't care what ethnicity he is, he seems to be the one who cares about such things.
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Likewise he openly sets those of Irish decent apart from other Americans then says "But I'm Irish!" So the hell what? Doesn't change the words he typed or their meaning one Iota.
Boy, I've seen some spin in my life , but you take the cake. All I did was accurately state that those Americans of Irish ancestory were the ones who YOU say funded the IRA. I stated a FACT.
You've gone on and on w/ a list of things which don't remotely accurately reflect what I said, so screw it. You win. I SHOULD have said that LEGITIMATE politcal parties don't haveve their own militias, but hey....what the fuck. Who cares, right ?
I give up. I can't talk sense to one who refuses to comprehend basic common sense.
Happy now ?
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Quote:No this is spin. Whether they are of Irish 'ancestry' or not is irrelevant, like I said YOU are the one with a hard on for checking people genetic credentials. You said the Irish; you tried to distance them from the population of America, that’s not spin that’s right there in your post for all to see.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
Boy, I've seen some spin in my life , but you take the cake. All I did was accurately state that those Americans of Irish ancestory were the ones who YOU say funded the IRA. I stated a FACT.
Quote:This is a lie. You twisted the discussion around not me.
You've gone on and on w/ a list of things which don't remotely accurately reflect what I said, so screw it.
Quote:So basically what your saying is that after your little bullshit tantrum I am right, but you don't have the good grace to admit it, you have to turn my being right, and proving it into an insult.
I SHOULD have said that LEGITIMATE politcal parties don't haveve their own militias, but hey....what the fuck. Who cares, right ?
Why did you press it, if you meant legitimate? No as usual you were proven wrong and you immediately went on lets turn the thread into a slanging match mode so you wouldn't have to admit it.
Quote:Nothing you believe makes sense common or otherwise. Even that sentence doesn't make sense.
I give up. I can't talk sense to one who refuses to comprehend basic common sense.
Quote:I doubt talking to you will ever make anyone happy. Go away with what you comprehend as your victory.
Happy now ?
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Hey all,
I've just now returned to read the whole thread
(OK, I skipped most of the Sinn Fien stuff "Brits out!" yo).
I really did get some good perspective from the
thoughtful replies. Basically I'm unmoved in my
opinion though.
It's important to support our allies (I'm American), I agree there. But I don't think any country should be expected to support allies to
their own detriment. Nations should take care of
their own first. IMHO, continuing to pump
Israel full of tech/weaponry and going into massive debt to China in order to keep our military functioning over there, is going to result in the US going DOWN. By "down" I mean economic collapse and dictatorship. I also believe there are people in the US government that WANT that to happen (traitors who are (D) AND (R)).
I disagree with Zionism, but I don't want to see
civilians from *either* side harmed.
I wish it was as simple as just giving the Israelies Florida. But it wouldn't be Holy enough I suppose. Looks like neither side will give up. But it makes me sick to think my tax dollars go to Israeli weapons. Scratch that --American weapons used by Israel.
Do I think we should abandon Israel? Yes. Why?
Because it would take the life-blood of the US to *ultimately* and *finally* secure Israel. It would take genocide of many Arab peoples. Because the US abandoning Israel is inevitable anyway... (So say some Christian Fundies I've spoken with)
Anyhoo --pray for peace y'all (can't hurt)
EDIT: and thanks for the replies
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Whether they are of Irish 'ancestry' or not is irrelevant, like I said YOU are the one with a hard on for checking people genetic credentials. You said the Irish; you tried to distance them from the population of America, that’s not spin that’s right there in your post for all to see.
First of all, it is COMPLETELY relevent as to who was funding the IRA, you pin head. That's the only reason I brought that part up. You're the one making racist remarks about checking for GENETIC credentials. I never once intimated that in the least. The eugenics game is squarely on YOUR head, pal.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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Quote:Spin spin spin, are you feeling dizzy yet? You seem to think ethnicity is important, I point that out and all of a sudden I'M the one asking for genetic credentials, that's just too funny.
Originally posted by AURaptor:
First of all, it is COMPLETELY relevent as to who was funding the IRA, you pin head. That's the only reason I brought that part up. You're the one making racist remarks about checking for GENETIC credentials. I never once intimated that in the least. The eugenics game is squarely on YOUR head, pal.
You're the one who set Irish Americans apart from Americans, saying they are just Irish, not I. You're the one that thinks your ethnicity matters at all you simple minded little ape man. Blather all you want.
I love how the vast swath of a post completely disproves what you say and so you have to attack the tiniest most inconsequential part of it in the hope that no one will notice you lost the debate already. Don't worry AU no one here is as stupid as you so your tactics really haven't worked.
You are a bigot; you are just so bigoted you can’t see it. The eugenics thing is squarely on YOUR head, pal.
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You are a bigot; you are just so bigoted you can’t see it. The eugenics thing is squarely on YOUR head, pal.
You are either a) A troll, and simply enjoy playing the role of the contrarian. If that's the case, you're lower than snail slime.... OR... b) You're so delusional from yrs of P.C., cult like think that you've lost all your higher cognitive abilities.
If 'a' is true, then I'm wasting my time arguing w/ you,..( never argue w/ a fool, least others are unable to tell the difference ) ....but if 'b' is true, I have been beating up on a mental midget. Mamma taught me better than to pick on those who have 'special' needs. If this is the case, I do apologize.
People love a happy ending. So every episode, I will explain once again that I don't like people. And then Mal will shoot someone. Someone we like. And their puppy. - Joss
" They don't like it when you shoot at 'em. I worked that out myself. "
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AU, I am not a troll, and I'd put money on my IQ being higher than yours, that's why I don't need George Bush to give me my opinion.
I realise not judging people based on ethnicity religion or skin colour is PC crap to you, we've been through this before, you don't need to keep on about it.
If anyone acts like a Troll here it is you, and the difference between you accusing me of acting like a Troll and me accusing you of acting like a Troll is other people will agree with me.
So since 'a' and 'b' has been decidedly proved false by the facts, really it's either mystery options:
c) You are a Troll
or
d) You are a delusional retard.
Just give it up; you've lost the debate already.
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