Objects In Space.

POSTED BY: Bishop
UPDATED: Saturday, January 31, 2004 04:45
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BECKINSALE

Friday, January 23, 2004 6:20 AM

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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
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Originally posted by Kaythryn:
This isn't at all thought out, but I always just figured that Kaylee didn't speak up because she didn't have any guilty/angry/upset kind of thoughts in her head at the time. She's a very happy person.

Watched the sequence last night, and oddly, Kaylee stares straight at River when Simon speaks. Its a look that says quite a lot; that River is the reason that she and Simon get so close and then drive each other apart (note that its Kaylee on screen when River says "be who they want to be with")

"I threw up on your bed"

Misguided By Voices, I actually thought that same thing. I also noticed that Kaylee was on screen when River said those words. I thought it was rather obvious.

Actually, I felt that Kaylee seemed almost annoyed or frustrated at River's presence. I think the only reason she doesn't speak is because words aren't needed to demonstrate this. Not that I think Kaylee is walking around "annoyed" at River. Just that, no matter how much you like someone, if they interrupt something you’re enjoying or that is important to you, it will bother you. And often times Simon's dedication to River seems to "interrupt" the "flow" of Kaylee's relationship with Simon.

DRAKON

Friday, January 23, 2004 11:20 AM

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Originally posted by Beckinsale:
Actually, I felt that Kaylee seemed almost annoyed or frustrated at River's presence. I think the only reason she doesn't speak is because words aren't needed to demonstrate this. Not that I think Kaylee is walking around "annoyed" at River. Just that, no matter how much you like someone, if they interrupt something you’re enjoying or that is important to you, it will bother you. And often times Simon's dedication to River seems to "interrupt" the "flow" of Kaylee's relationship with Simon.

I think its a lot more nuanced than that. She can't be with Simon, because Simon is focused on helping his sister. She get upset at that, because, well, River is a nice person, and has been cruelly treated, and what Simon is doing is the right thing to do. Morally if not legally. So she gets mad at herself for being mad at herself, for being selfish for the affections of a very unselfish, if wooden, guy. And if he weren't so unselfish, he would not be as attractive.

The very facets of Simon she finds attractive is the very facets that are keeping them from being together. River's been badly treated, and even saved Kaylee's life, so she can't be mad at her.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

KALATHENA

Saturday, January 24, 2004 2:07 AM

I just finished watching "Heart of Gold" and "Objects in Space" tonight. After seeing them both in a row like that, I don't think Inara's comment had anything to do with Mal or River.

At the end of HoG she talks to Mal about the strength of a family and how after that is built, you cannot pull yourself away from it. Then she tells him that she's leaving.

My new thought is that the "strength of family" she talks about has *nothing* to do with the crew of Serenity. It has to do with the something that she is not running from, but running to. She has a deep obligation to someone or a group of someone's that she considers family. Her duty was sidetracked due to her involvement with Serenity.

Now come to OiS. I believe her "I'm a big girl, just tell me." again has nothing to do with anyone on Serenity, but is related to her familial obligation/duty that she has decided once again to undertake.

--Kala

MISGUIDED BY VOICES

Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:05 PM

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Originally posted by Shiny:
Perhaps the mystery vial is a drug that gives her this Dune-Like (or god help us Love-Potion-Number-8-Like) voice power...

Rewatched Serenity last night and got to thinking on what this could be.

can't be that - because she would know Reavers wouldn't respond. Can't be medicine, because why would she need it at that moment?

I'm wondering, is it something that she has from the Companions that can't fall into "enemy" hands. Given her look when queried on why she left, is it something she took?

"I threw up on your bed"

SAINT JAYNE

Saturday, January 24, 2004 9:12 PM

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Originally posted by Misguided By Voices:
I'm wondering, is it something that she has from the Companions that can't fall into "enemy" hands.

Say, that's an interesting twist. She always looked like she was preparing to use it, but what if it was a precious substance? Now I feel like Jayne pointing at Tracey and saying, "Gold!"

SHINY

Saturday, January 31, 2004 2:27 AM

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Originally posted by SheWhoHathAPen:
I could almost believe that while River's astral self was wandering Serenity her body was dressing

You might not be too far off there, SWHAP. In War Stories, when River tells Simon she threw up and he asks, "but you felt OK this morning?", she replies "played with Kaylee...sun came out and I walked on my feet and heard with my ears...I function like I'm a girl; I hate it because I know it will go away...the sun goes dark and chaos has come again..."

RIVER
Purple elephants are flying.
MAL
Good. Thanks for the update.

FIREFLYWILDCARD1

Saturday, January 31, 2004 4:45 AM

I have to go with the astral projection idea because when River walks through the Jayne/Book scene she walks right inbetween the two. Jayne is so uncomfortable around River, I think this would have made him stop speaking for a second or he would have continued looking at her until she was out of the room.

I also think that not all the thoughts River heard were directed at her. I think Mal's "It don't mean nothing" was directed at life in general. If you've seen or read any military fiction and some military history you will notice that this was a common saying among the drafted soldiers. It was a way to get through situations that one doesn't think they can live with for the rest of their life.

Book's line "I don't care..." I think might have a little something to do with River. If you remember in one of the eps (I don't remember the title), she tore up his Bible. Even if he wasn't a Shepherd to begin with and is just trying to redeem himself, that still had to have pissed him off. But again, I also think the majority of the feelings expressed (when the line is heard) have to do with something in his past.

I didn't understand Inara's line at all because it looked like she was looking directly at where astral River was standing.

I think the gun wasn't Jayne's. I know someone else said this as well, but I think the gun came out of the weapons locker. Remember the locker we see in "War Stories"? That's right above the cargo bay, and if I'm seeing things correctly that is right "behind" where River was standing when watching Inara and Mal.

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