New to Firefly and have some questions
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UPDATED: Monday, October 9, 2006 02:00
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
King, I doubt if there are many Browncoats who don't have at least one issue with the film, of those of us who saw the series first at least. If there are, they either are lying or they are total Joss worshippers who are afraid to voice any displeasure with anything he has ever done. I know there are many new fans who came to the 'verse via the movie first, so their reactions are sure to be different.
Actually, I saw the BDM first, and was underwhelmed; I figured it was because I was unfamiliar with the show and the characters. Then I saw the show, and it immediately clicked with me. The music, the acting, the relationships...you name it--I think the show far outshines the movie. Not that I dislike the movie now that I've gone back and watched it again...but the series resonates more with me.
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Originally posted by ecgordon:
King, I doubt if there are many Browncoats who don't have at least one issue with the film, of those of us who saw the series first at least. If there are, they either are lying or they are total Joss worshippers who are afraid to voice any displeasure with anything he has ever done.
Now that's not true. I've watched Firefly since the first episode to hit the air (which was, of course, the second episode.) Since I'm not a Joss worshipper I guess you must think me a liar, but I don't see anything wrong with the film.
I know that the way we see it in the film isn't the way intended. I've read the original version of the Serenity (episode) script and if that were the version aired I would agree that there is a break in continuity. However as it stands on screen I don't see anything wrong with it.
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Originally posted by ShinyTrinket:
The music, the acting, the relationships...you name it--I think the show far outshines the movie. Not that I dislike the movie now that I've gone back and watched it again...but the series resonates more with me.
If that can be said to be an issue with the movie than I do have one because I feel the same way.
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I agree with CTC. I like the movie equally with the show. But I also see them as separate entities. I don't look at the movie as a continuation of the show and therefore don't carry any baggage into it.
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Originally posted by christhecynic:Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
King, I doubt if there are many Browncoats who don't have at least one issue with the film, of those of us who saw the series first at least. If there are, they either are lying or they are total Joss worshippers who are afraid to voice any displeasure with anything he has ever done.
Now that's not true. I've watched Firefly since the first episode to hit the air (which was, of course, the second episode.) Since I'm not a Joss worshipper I guess you must think me a liar, but I don't see anything wrong with the film.
I know that the way we see it in the film isn't the way intended. I've read the original version of the Serenity (episode) script and if that were the version aired I would agree that there is a break in continuity. However as it stands on screen I don't see anything wrong with it.
He said he doubts if there is many. Please note that he is not saying that they don't exist. Just that he doubts that they exist in great numbers.
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The Tams reminded me of the parents of a good friend of mine. Very wealthy and very into presenting exactly the perfect image of themselves to everyone. River's comment about 'meddling' at the beginning of the BDM made me think of my friend, who was quite outspoken and curious about everything (although no genius, as he himself would admit ;) From my own instincts and evidenced not at all in the show, I got the impression that River was the type of teenager who made her parents nervous - not the typical 'riding in cars with boys' sort of thing, but the type that might start an argument at a dinner party with a distinguished guest, ask too many questions, make waves. I think they were thrilled to have a place to send her away to, away from their carefully constructed world. That they could probably brag to their friends about their brilliant daughter being in a special Alliance school was a nice perk as well. The way they refused to consider Simon's fears and discoveries speaks to their desire to hold onto their life of wealth and prestige at all cost. Mr. Tam pretty much disowning Simon over trying to rescue her pretty much proves it. Imagine taking issue with your child for attempting to save the life of your other child...
The rest? I dunno. Everything everyone's said sounds plausible.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:Quote:
Originally posted by christhecynic:Quote:
Originally posted by ecgordon:
King, I doubt if there are many Browncoats who don't have at least one issue with the film, of those of us who saw the series first at least. If there are, they either are lying or they are total Joss worshippers who are afraid to voice any displeasure with anything he has ever done.
Now that's not true. I've watched Firefly since the first episode to hit the air (which was, of course, the second episode.) Since I'm not a Joss worshipper I guess you must think me a liar, but I don't see anything wrong with the film.
I know that the way we see it in the film isn't the way intended. I've read the original version of the Serenity (episode) script and if that were the version aired I would agree that there is a break in continuity. However as it stands on screen I don't see anything wrong with it.
He said he doubts if there is many. Please note that he is not saying that they don't exist. Just that he doubts that they exist in great numbers.
You're right, SigmaNunki. I'm a Browncoat from the first episode on FOX, have seen the series at least twenty times so far, and saw the BDM twice in pre-screenings, and at least twelve times since then in its finished form. I witnessed quite a few people voicing their displeasure with various aspects of the film months before it premiered in September 2005. I'm not saying that the majority were saying they did not like it, just that there were several elements that were hard for them to accept. My personal opinion of Serenity has changed a lot over all those viewings, and I now consider it a very good film, but I am not blind to its faults and it is not perfect. However, make no mistake, I am still a Browncoat, and always will be.
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Originally posted by SigmaNunki:
He said he doubts if there is many. Please note that he is not saying that they don't exist. Just that he doubts that they exist in great numbers.
I was focusing on, "If there are, they either are lying or they are total Joss worshippers who are afraid to voice any displeasure with anything he has ever done." If when 300 people say a thing it is either a lie or the result of total Joss worship surely when one person says the same thing it is either a lie or the result of total Joss worship.
Or is there some cut off line, is there some magic number where they're neither lying nor Joss worshiping but if one more person joins in they're lying or Joss worshiping?
What if I get two groups of 3/4s that many (below the number thus it is honest) and then combine them (above the number by a bunch thus dishonest.)
I mean it seems just silly to say that many people would be lying if they said something but if only a few said the same thing it would be true.
Maybe it seems silly because I'm tired, I'll be back with sleep.
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Originally posted by KingofallLondinum:
I have to say I totally missed the Blue Sun logo in the movie. Don't see how.
They weren't terribly conspicuous. In addition to those mentioned, there were a couple of random crates marked with the logo and one of the bottles that gets thrown during the River's bar scene (that someone only noticed because they happened to pause the movie on the one frame that shows it when they went to take a bathroom break or something).
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I've always had a problem with how hostile Mal is toward Simon at the start of the movie. It works from a stand alone movie viewpoint. Certainly helps set up Mal's character arc.
And in the DVD commentary Joss explains a little that things are not going well for Mal, Book is gone, Inara's gone and Mal's lost his bearings.
But for me, it just conflicts too much with how the series ended. Plus, in Safe when Simon asks Mal why he came back for them, Mal says "you're part of my crew," but in the movie he tells him he's not part of the crew.
To address a specific point, I don't see Mal actually telling Simon he's not a part of the crew in the movie (though the line certainly does leave that impression), rather that it is up to his discretion who is and who isn't - so don't push him. I see it as more of a threat.
But, in general, I was able to accept Mal's change in disposition much easier once I stopped looking at how things were different and tried to focus on why they were different and what that meant. That is, I took the very inconsistancies that were bothering me, and looked at them as exposition almost - demonstration of how badly things had been going for Mal.
I saw the movie at one of the advance screenings before the comics came out, so I was especially anxious for their arrival to help bridge that gap. And they do to some extent, though not quite as thoroughly as I'd like.
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