Which one is your least favourite Firefly episode?
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safe by far. i really hated the whole shes a witch we gotta brun her up part. the one thing i did like was the bit of sheperd book(god his character has me stumped and it drives me nuts) and seeing how some of the other characters react to the thought of leaving river nad simon behind.
"I dont know. If i wanted schoolin' i would've went to school"
-Jayne
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Heart of Gold IS a good episode: "Say hello to your daddy, Jonah." *shoots* "Say goodbye to your daddy, Jonah."
Personally, I think Ariel is the worst episode. The plot is great, but that thing that makes your face bleed until you die.... even though I'm fascinated with blood it just freaks me out too much.
"We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... this land."
"I think we should call it YOUR GRAVE!"
"Oh, no, sudden yet inevitable betrayal."
-Wash
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In brief defense of The Message:
"You mailed your ugly business to us, Tracey, and I will go to hell before I see you turn around and bite us for the favor."
Why didn't Mal tell Tracey about the plan? I've always felt that the line above outlines the reason pretty clearly. Tracey serves as a kind of foil to Simon here; both of them came aboard Serenity to get away from someone, and both did so under false pretense, trapping the crew in the middle of their troubles. The difference comes in how the two characters respond to the situation.
Although Simon bargains River's freedom against Kaylee's life in the pilot episode, he never presumes the help of the crew as his right. At all points, Simon is very aware of what he is risking, what he is paying, what he is getting himself into. He doesn't ever cross the line into the trap of demanding the crew's assistance as his due and proper. Also, he's defending his sister's life, not his own. His own life he would gladly throw away to protect River. In fact, in playing chicken with Mal over Kaylee's life, it's also his own life he's bartering away-and he knows it.
Tracey runs the opposite course. In the pilot episode, before Mal knows about River, he describes Simon as thinking his life is the only thing that matters. Of Tracey, that's completely true. He threatens the entire crew, including Kaylee (about whom he had professed to care), without even a pause to question or trust or even think about other options. Whether wrong or right, Mal's opinion here is that Tracey's actions dictate that he doesn't deserve an explanation. Furthermore, if you study the scene, Mal gives Tracey every opportunity to choose another way. He goes so far as to say that they're still trying to help Tracey and that the bullet wound "can be seen to." The one thing Mal doesn't do is explain the plan, because to do so validates Tracey's betrayal. For Mal, that's a matter of principal. His crew is family, and you don't turn on your family, no matter what. Tracey threw himself upon Serenity's mercy, and that--combined with Mal and Zoe's history with Tracey--marked him as potentially family as well, at least temporarily. Tracey betrayed that to save his own skin; he gets more than a small chance to come to his senses, but no explanation until he shows some regard for someone other than himself.
"You don't know me, son, so let me explain this to you once. If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed."
If we see the parallels between Simon and Tracey, it seems that Mal is good on his word.
Those who disagree with Mal's take on Tracey's action can easily see this as a fatal flaw of the episode, but knowing Mal's opinions regarding loyalty and family, I don't see any flaw here.
"No, son, you murdered yourself. I just carried the bullet awhile."
By the way, my least favorite episode was Safe. I love everything about the interactions between the characters; I love the first revelations of Book's secret life; I love Simon's overwhelming self-sacrifice on his sister's behalf. I just can't get past the burning at the stake. It does nothing to enhance our understanding/enjoyment of the story. Point of fact, it knocks my suspension of disbelief sideways every time. I don't have a problem with religious fanatics deciding that River's a witch. People fear and hate what they don't understand. It's the whole burning at the stake thing that ruins it for me. A different method of witchy execution would have fixed the whole thing for me, kept it novel and fresh. As it is, I cringe all the way through that scene until the Big Damn Heroes show up and rescue the scene from tackiness. Still, it ruins a perfectly good episode, in my opinion.
I love Heart of Gold, by the by. Sure, it's the Seven Samurai. I love the Seven Samurai. Mal/Inara goodness abounds. I totally buy Mal sleeping with Nandie, since I don't go in for the puritanical Mal theory that I keep seeing. He was more than ready to bang Saffron like a scr
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Um...so do you like any episodes? <---sarcasm.
I like "War Stories" because Wash and Mal have so much interaction and you learn more about Wash.
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Originally posted by Wolfpoet:
Heart of Gold isn't such a bad episode: "Say hello to your daddy, Jonah. *shoots* Say goodbye to your daddy, Jonah."
Personally, I think Ariel is the worst episode. The plot is okay, but it just freaks me out too much... just that thing that makes your face bleed until you die. Objects in Space and War Stories aren't so great either.
"We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... this land."
"I think we should call it YOUR GRAVE!"
"Oh, no, sudden yet inevitable betrayal."
-Wash
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I too looooved Heart of Gold...
I have like...almost zero empathy for Inara in that episode...here's her chance to say something...do something...
Can we blame Mal who apparently hadn't had sex in awhile...for sleeping with a smart, beautiful, powerful woman who, like him, is the keeper of girls like Mal is the captain of his crew?
I was genuinly happy (and turned on) for Mal...he deserved a good lover even if it was for a brief moment.
But then...I believe sex has more than 2 purposes in life...it doesn't have to be about love or procreation...it can be stress relief, affection, friendship, revenge, liberation...etc.
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Originally posted by TwilightJack:
In brief defense of The Message:
"You mailed your ugly business to us, Tracey, and I will go to hell before I see you turn around and bite us for the favor."
Why didn't Mal tell Tracey about the plan? I've always felt that the line above outlines the reason pretty clearly. Tracey serves as a kind of foil to Simon here; both of them came aboard Serenity to get away from someone, and both did so under false pretense, trapping the crew in the middle of their troubles. The difference comes in how the two characters respond to the situation.
Although Simon bargains River's freedom against Kaylee's life in the pilot episode, he never presumes the help of the crew as his right. At all points, Simon is very aware of what he is risking, what he is paying, what he is getting himself into. He doesn't ever cross the line into the trap of demanding the crew's assistance as his due and proper. Also, he's defending his sister's life, not his own. His own life he would gladly throw away to protect River. In fact, in playing chicken with Mal over Kaylee's life, it's also his own life he's bartering away-and he knows it.
Tracey runs the opposite course. In the pilot episode, before Mal knows about River, he describes Simon as thinking his life is the only thing that matters. Of Tracey, that's completely true. He threatens the entire crew, including Kaylee (about whom he had professed to care), without even a pause to question or trust or even think about other options. Whether wrong or right, Mal's opinion here is that Tracey's actions dictate that he doesn't deserve an explanation. Furthermore, if you study the scene, Mal gives Tracey every opportunity to choose another way. He goes so far as to say that they're still trying to help Tracey and that the bullet wound "can be seen to." The one thing Mal doesn't do is explain the plan, because to do so validates Tracey's betrayal. For Mal, that's a matter of principal. His crew is family, and you don't turn on your family, no matter what. Tracey threw himself upon Serenity's mercy, and that--combined with Mal and Zoe's history with Tracey--marked him as potentially family as well, at least temporarily. Tracey betrayed that to save his own skin; he gets more than a small chance to come to his senses, but no explanation until he shows some regard for someone other than himself.
"You don't know me, son, so let me explain this to you once. If I ever kill you, you'll be awake, you'll be facing me, and you'll be armed."
If we see the parallels between Simon and Tracey, it seems that Mal is good on his word.
Those who disagree with Mal's take on Tracey's action can easily see this as a fatal flaw of the episode, but knowing Mal's opinions regarding loyalty and family, I don't see any flaw here.
"No, son, you murdered yourself. I just carried the bullet awhile."
By the way, my least favorite episode was Safe. I love everything about the interactions between the characters; I love the first revelations of Book's secret life; I love Simon's overwhelming self-sacrifice on his sister's behalf. I just can't get past the burning at the stake. It does nothing to enhance our understanding/enjoyment of the story. Point of fact, it knocks my suspension of disbelief sideways every time. I don't have a problem with religious fanatics deciding that River's a witch.NOTIFY: Y | REPLY | REPLY WITH QUOTE | PERMALINK | TOP | HOME
I'd have to say The Message. It's not that I think that the episode is a bad one it's just the one I like the least. Heart of Gold comes in second.
"Well, my days of taking you seriously are certainly coming to a middle." http://whimsicalnbrainpan.blogspot.com/
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All Firefly episodes are good, but Joss Whedon sometimes just does TOO good a job of scaring people... the first time I saw the Reavers I didn't sleep all night... but it was still compelling.
"We will rule over all this land, and we will call it... This Land."
"I think we should call it YOUR GRAVE!"
"Curse you, sudden yet inevitable betrayal."
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Jinkies, I know I sound like the requisite beaming Browncoat, but I love all the eps. Like, I can't even think of one that I wouldn't want to watch over and over again. And I can't see one that everbody on tv, shouldn't love. I get the almost overwhelming urge to go post by post and tell you all what's great about the episodes that you don't like. But everybody's entitled to their opinion. I do appreciate the fact that people aren't afraid to go up against such a topic that could become a trap for hostility. Trust me, naming the worst Brendan Fraser movie (whom I love) was hard, but once I faced that wall and conquered it, I was finally able to say that I didn't like Encino Man. *sniff* And maybe *sniff* some of you can relate to how hard that was to say.
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I like all the episodes. Each one I enjoy immensely and each one has great moments in it.
But there are some I like more than others.
I love Jayne, but oddly enough I find the episode Jaynestown to be the one I watch the least.
There are great moments in that episode. Jayne is funny and shows some depth. The song is great.
But there is something about his old partner coming back that strikes me as a little contrived. I don't like that character, Stitch. He's too much, for lack of a better word, a cartoon to me.
And the magistrate's son standing up to him after Inarra gives the "I chose you..." speech, well, just seems kind of cliche to me.
Again, I like that episode, but it is the one I watch the least.
Interesting, Heart of Gold I love. And yes the villain in that could be characterized as kind of cartoony. But there is something about his conviction. Mal sums up best when he says there's nothing worse than someone who thinks he's right with God (or something like that). That makes Burges truly frightening. At least to me.
But of course the real reason I love HoG is the Mal/Inarra relationship. We see depths to that relationship in the episode. We see that another person recognizes their feelings for each other.
It fascinates me that Nandi would sleep would Mal knowing he is in love with Inarra. Does she use that to seduce him in some way? But then later when she sees Inarra's reaction she says if she would have known Inarra felt that way about Mal, she wouldn't have. She thought it was just Mal who had feelings for Inarra. Not the other way around.
I love that stuff.
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