Mel Gibson staggers off the wagon
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UPDATED: Saturday, January 11, 2025 16:25
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Quote:I was unaware that not being a Christian meant you were not equipped to discuss fascism.
Originally posted by Antimason:
Citizen--i never said you were scum, and not worth the effort; but i cannot convince you that there is a conspiracy of evil taking place, if you do not believe evil exists to begin with.
Quote:Well yeah, doesn't really matter who’s version of events you believe really does it, there's a direct link between 9/11, 7/7 the Iraq war and the war on terror in all versions. The global government part is the part that needs some evidence, and some evidence of malice of forethought which you prescribe. All you've done is provide a few cut out and edited quotes then you say "See proof! Now provide evidence I'm wrong!!".
id believe that there is a direct relation between the 9/11 and london 7/7 coverups, the Iraq war, the war on Terror, etc. and the agenda to create a global government. there is sufficient evidence to atleast suspect that there is such agenda being orchestrated at the highest levels of western governments; whether you want to believe it will be successfull is another story, but its definately occurring.
You don't get to say "its definitely occurring".
Quote:I keep a pet snake does that mean I care for the devil? The swastika is an Ancient Roman symbol to ward of evil spirits; does that mean the Nazis were Roman? I like Celtic symbols, and I sometimes use them in my artwork, does that mean I'm a Celt?
look..we know the Freemasons founded America, to the extent that their symbolism is widespread; its on our money, its seen throughout Washington DC...wherever the Freemason are present, so to is their symbolism. the problem is, it is indistinguishable from Satanic, Luciferian, ancient Babylonian symbols. so why is there no connection being made? of everyone here, Christians would obviously read the most into this..so why arent they? that is my biggest question...there is no denying the relationships.
Quote:This would be the letter that has no proof of it's existence yeah.
i think its significant that in 1871, Albert Pike, a 33rd degree Mason, had this to say about the 3 world wars which must occur before the reign of their Idol, Lucifer, the "light bringer":
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now, he was uncannilly accurate no? either he was a gifted prophet..beyond even Nostrodamus, or this is a literal agenda that has been fullfilled to the T. so which is it?
Look it's easy:
Quote:I mean we know the letters authentic, it’s dated prior to the War of Independence and is obviously talking about it.
July 5th 1762
Dear King George
I've got this great idea. We pretend to split away from The Kingdom of Great Britain and go it alone for a bit. Before you rip this letter up let me explain, I know it sounds crazy but think about it, you won't have to protect us or pay for anything anymore, but here's the kicker.
Someday Britain may not be so great any more, if that happens we set stage two of the plan in motion. We start putting tyrants in power, until the people want Britain to take over, then you roll in and we become the United States of Britain. If you think about it it's a great plan and those bastard French will never see it coming, hell we might even be able to con them into helping!
Yours faithfully, your old pal George Washington.
So Britain taking over the reigns again, how's a week next Tuesday sound? I mean it was the original plan of the founding fathers, get the Tea on.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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Citizen, let me give you an example:
i, and many others have argued relentlessly that the American governmnet orchestrated 9/11..and we have our details to support complicity. given the past 5 years of policy, i would say that the possibility that 9/11 fullfilled a prior agenda, IMO for global governnance, is likely, in combination with all the other bits of information thats been given regarding this subject. espcecially considering that we know we were lied to about Iraq and the WMDs..i mean, does anyone really trust Bush, or even Blair for that matter?
the only explanation i ever hear is that our government is incompetent, and that they are merely fumbling their way around this whole situation. well..if we randomly, coincidentally stumble into WW3 and a scenario of global governance, am i to believe that it just happened that way, given everything we've talked about? thats what your asking me to believe!
ill admit we cannot prove this conclusively beyond a shadow of a doubt, yet..but we also have the majority of the populace, the media, and the establishment purpetrating a myth contrary to our opinion, on their own behalf. how are we to prove ourselves, if everything we say is disgarded or relegated to coincidence, chance or hocus-pocus? the odds that we'll ever see an independant investigation is not in our favor..since in the past, these commissions have clearly been whitewashes. Fox news certainly isnt going to break the story 5 years later
we will always have our supporting evidence, which we believe raises enough questions to atleast raise suspicion in the eyes of the public. but its difficult when nothing you say is taken into consideration. there will always be people, like yourself, who will throw away ever last bit of it, and deny it all to the very end! now why? does it literally have to come from their own mouths..when the agenda is becoming so clearly visible? actually, ive shown you cases where theyve personally admitted it, as evidenced by the thousands of quotes that are available..only no one accepts them as real, accurate, or even in context.
so what more do you want from me? i gave a link of an entire archive of sources who revealed government prior knowledge of the attacks, and even what appears to be direct envolvement, and no one even bothers to go through it. what would tip the balance in our favor, when the establishment is clearly winning the propoganda war, due to the mechanisms already under their control?
i think your being unrealistic, and havent fully thought through the possibility that this is true. the mere fact that no mainstream networks even cover our perspective, let alone with any legitimate scrutiny, suggests that either its soo beyond rediculous that its not worth even considering, or that this is a perspective that they do not wish to be made known! i assume you believe its the latter?
and that quote from Albert Pike was take from a book that he wrote! its not as if it was made up to support our premise. lets just be honost here...no bit of information i give you will suffice; so what do you want from me? i could give you leads and accounts all day long, but you will find someway to justify your way around it; even if it means denying volumes of historical accounts
if you wont accept statements from the people behind it, then no bit of research i give you will be acceptable! i just think thats telling...the fact that we know even this much is a testament to our resolve and dedication in exposing this, but this is a conspiracy, and it will not be made known to the public, in any legitimate form, with all our supporting evidence; and it hasnt. is that not the least bit curious at all to you?
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AntiMason:
I just don't find a few disparate quotes from world leaders that happen to contain the words 'Global' and 'Government' as particularly compelling. Governments and groups are getting larger all the time, the USA, EU, UN so on and so forth are showing a clear progression towards world government, and barring a nuclear war that ends us all someday there will be a government in charge of the entire planet. Organisations get bigger, for better or worse, that's just how we as a species work. Hey I'm sure there were people who made similar overtones when England was amalgamated from disparate kingdoms.
World Government doesn't worry me, because even a world war isn't going to bring it about in my life time or the life times of my children, what worries me is global commercialism, and that doesn’t need any conspiracies to bring it about, it's almost here and we're accepting it because it gives us Dolby Surround Sound 7.1 while enslaving us to the mega-multinationals through debt. They don't need a conspiracy or even fore thought to bring this about, just a whole bunch of people who have similar goals and Human nature. If you show most people the TX9000 that's *JUST* out side of their price range but they've got the TX7500 then a hell of a lot of people are going to put themselves in debt to get the TX9000, not the work of the devil, not the work of some shadowy secret society, just Human nature. We want to keep ahead of the Smiths, capitalism exploits this desire, but it doesn’t create it, it’s always been with us.
Albert Pike's statements WERE NOT taken from a book he wrote, they were taken from a letter he was supposed to have written to Markow(?) in the 1870's. This letter wasn't published until 1925, but still there is no evidence for the existence of the letter. I'd also like to remind you that the term Nazi is short for the German Nationaler Sozialismus (National Socialism) a term that DID not exist in the 1870's, but DID exist in 1925. Also in 1925 the Russian October Revolution and the First World War had already happened, and many saw the spectre of another war in the Nazis (I believe Churchill was warning about the Nazis right from their conception).
Add to this that I have never seen proof that this letter was even published in 1925 and you begin to see why I may be sceptical.
Why can't you accept the possibility that this letter is nothing more than a really clever fake?
Here would be a good start if you can explain the following:
1) I start a super secret society for world domination, the last thing I'd do is print my flaming symbol on legal tender, so why did the New World Order scatter their symbol over American Dollar Bills?
2) My super powerful conspiracy can sway nations, but it can't take a couple of websites exposing all my plans down?
3) My Secret society is so secret everyone's heard about it?
4) My secret society can compel world leaders to kill millions but can't silence the conspiracy theorists?
5) I've worked for companies and the government, neither could organise a piss up in a brewery, how do these secret societies infiltrate governments, manipulate and control the manifest destines of millions of people over centuries of time and keep this all secret from the general population? This sort of level of organisation is inhuman.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
No one can see their reflection in running water. It is only in still water that we can see.
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my Fear Citizen is that the global elite want a one world government, and will use any and all means neccessary to achieve it..even if that means sacrificing a few for the good of the whole.
and sure, theoretically, its a good idea: all resources can be relocated and allocated properly; no more borders to protect or nations to fight with; a single currency, and universal legal/ethical standards etc. in principle, it sounds effecient and quite frankly like common sense; after all, we are one humanity, and we need to start acting like it.
the problem is that in this age, Satans age, i dont believe we can trust one single governmental body to protect the rights of individuals, once it has unchallenged control; no government in history has proven to be responsible with even a fraction of such authority! given the sinful nature of man and the cravings of absolute power, for such a body to possess the mechanisms to control every aspect of peoples lives is a depressingly sober thought
i agree wtih you about the threat of commercialism; people have become enslaved by the progress of technology and keeping up with the Jones'. all the vital assets on the planet, water, food, land..have all been stolen from the public, and sold back to us at a price; and what was never a neccessity to begin with, has become so conditioned into our sub-consciousness as desirefull that we have lost all sight of reason, and what makes us human beings. we've traded the freedom of sovereign beings to become slaves to an economy.
im totally with you on that, because Jesus warns us of this very thing when he says "do not love the world, or anything in the world; for he who loves the world does not love the Father".
its just that now we are reaching a point where peoples lives can be micromanaged beyond the point of personal freedom, and i fear that the powers that be are engineering pretexts to exact this final stage of governance. and lets be honost, theres no politician in the world who hasnt concieved such an elitist utopia, where the elite few rule over a global plantation, perfectly contained my the wonders of 21st century technology.
whether this NWO rises out of the ashes of a third world war, where people, desperate for stability and peace, accept the concept of a unified humanity with one representative government; or it be the threat of "Global Warming", and the measures needed to insure the survival of humanity. i just see a scenario being created where those who seek total global dictatorship have enough tools at their disposal to initiate this final step.
and being the extremist Christian i am, i see the signs of the Beast, and the reign of AntiChrist, who then possesses this perfect mechanism of control. that is all i fear...and when i see the members of secret societies, with motives to do just that, i try to do everything within my power to expose them, right or wrong, true or false; better safe then sorry!
this is my sole intention of alerting you all to this. Freemasonry, the visible 95% that the public is aware of, is a front for the inner 5% with luciferian motives; the outer core is lied to about the true meanings of the symbolism and doctrines, while the inner core is busy fullfilling their agenda to make way for their CHrist, their messiah, Lucifer. in the same way, i believe that the white house and its western allies, and institutions such as the Fed, CFR, TRI-Lateral grp., NSA, CIA etc are now actively seeking a NWO, without the consent of the(outer) masses
and i want you on my side, not on the side of those who believe that this future system of global governance is what humanity has truly lacked..because it will become a nightmare in every sense of the word. especially now that we possess the technology to track someones every move or decision. that is scary to me, but is the inevitable direction that our societies are taking us; and in many ways, we are being lied into accepting it
you dont have to agree with me now, because if im right, then you will see for yourself when t
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Hey Antimason,
Could you explain something to me that I've never quite understood from your "extremist" point of view: What were the last 2000 years for from a Christian standpoint? Why did there have to be a second coming? Why couldn't Jesus have taken care of business on his first trip? What's the delay?
If WWIII is inevitable, if the world's domination by Lucifer is a fait accompli fully documented in the First Century A.D., then why leave us here to suffer for 2000 wasted years? Why not pull the plug when you see that the patient is terminal, end the experiment when no new, meaningful data can be collected?
Unless it's because we have the chance to change our fate. Unless God hopes that he doesn't have to interfere with our developement except as a last resort. Couldn't Revelation simply be the conditions under which God would halt the experiment? Not when, but if; if things get that effed up, I'm pulling the plug?
So here we are on the eve of the eschaton, and you're telling us that all this is gonna go down.
And I say, maybe not. Maybe you're dead wrong. Maybe you're serving Lucifer's will when you attempt to frighten people so completely and conclusively over the internet. Maybe you oughta be preaching love and gentleness and let God deal with the Satanists and the NWO.
Humankind seems to be attracted to the "brink of destruction" and we always seem to make it back a little sadder but a little wiser (and not without a little help, wouldn't you say?). Why will this be any different?
Has man's capacity for good reached its limit? Has Christianity reached as many people as it possibly can? What is it about the current geo-political scene that will make it necessary for God to show His hand before another generation perishes from the Earth?
Here's what I see. I see a prophecy, a pretty nasty one. Pretty compelling too. It may be, for all I know, entirely accurate. But what does it have to do with the teachings of Christ? What does it have to do with God's plan? It's all so freakin' Norse, y'know? What does all this tribulation really have to do with the Good News?
Again, as we come to the end of days, can you tell me what was the point of the last 2000 years of mayhem?
HKCavalier
Hey, hey, hey, don't be mean. We don't have to be mean, because, remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
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well..im no theologian, let me get that out right off the bat..your pastor may disagree with me, ok; but this is to the best of MY knowledge.
i was trying to avoid making this too lengthy, but some back story is neccessary:
God created Man, Adam, in the garden of Eden, in which he existed in a nearly perfect state; i believe immortally, because it is said that when we are redeemed by Christ, we will conquer death.
(because of this, i also take the lifespans of the early generations of Adams offspring as literally 900 yrs etc, because prior to Sin, there was no death..so we are dealing with near perfect, right off the line beings.)
once we knew of Sin, we still had yet to be exposed to it...so a relationship with God was still attainable.
before Man was created, Gods angelic beings ruled the heavens, or the universe, and their dominion was the other planets in our solar system. im not sure of the timeline, but the Bible constantly refers to Satan as the prince of this world, or the prince of the kingdom of the air, so he has clearly been with Man from day one.
it has beens Satans goal to prove Man unworthy of a relationship with God, to persuade Man to worship him, to pervert the bloodline of Mans redeemer, and then to pervert Gods message
in Genesis 6, it says certain angels, of whom rebelled against the Father, chose wives among the daughters of Man, and had offspring, which were called the Nephilim. these fallen angels, along with their hybrid offspring, so corrupted Man, by teaching him knowledge which we were not ready for, that it pained God that he had made Man on the earth, because the desire of our hearts was evil all the time. so he chose Noah, whos bloodline was uncorrupted, and who was considered righteous among his time, to be the new Adam; and he sent a flood to remove the evil influences.
i believe that God intended to send a redeemer, who would sacrifice his life for the sins of the world, and in doing so would conquer death for those who believe and follow his teachings. but this Christ had to be of the bloodline of Seth, and then of Noah, since the fallen angels had perverted the early generations.
Now Noahs sons, because of mans sinful nature, were led astray by the same forces prior to the flood, as Gen. 6 indicates, both before and afterwards were these angelic beings present.
Noahs offspring eventually build the Tower of Babel, reaching into the heavens, in defiance of God, in the belief that Man was his own god, and that he ruled the earth.
this eventually leads to Abraham, who God chooses to initiate his covenant with; Gods way of re-instituting the belief in the ultimate God, the Father and creator of the universe; rather then created beings(angels) who appeared as gods to early man, such as the Canaanites(Canaan was the offspring of Ham, one of Noahs sons).
i think this is the reason for Jesus first coming; without getting into the details of the early Patriarchs, Mans redemption arrived in phases: Gods covenant with Noah, Gods covenant with Abraham, the Law introduced through Moses...and all these prophecies leading up to the appearance of their messiah, and his death; which was prophesied in the OT.
Now, it was foretold that their Messiah must die first, before he came back to defeat Satan and sin for ever. the early Jews skipped these prophesies, and went straight to the end; they were expecting Jesus to be all conquering, not the submissive Lamb, so they denied him.
i believe that Man wasnt ready when Jesus first arrived. the Jews, who of all people should have recognized their own messiah, murdered the guy, just as they had done all their previous prophets. Jesus said "if you knew me, you would know my Father"; if this was a test, then Man failed. the Jews had the Law, but they lacked the Holy spirit, which was the spirit of God, the spirit the partriarchs possessed aswell.
Jesus said that when he left, he would send the spirit of God, or the holy spirit, as a guide for his believers..i think this was the final catalyst of our rede
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Politician rejects Gibson support
Mel Gibson's anti-Semitic remarks have caused a furore Senator Tom McClintock, a candidate to become Californian lieutenant governor, has said he will no longer use a fundraising letter from Mel Gibson.
The decision was made after the actor's drink-drive arrest, during which he made derogatory remarks about Jews.
The three-page letter endorsed the Republican candidate's campaign and praised his stand for "principles that might not be politically correct".
The politician's spokesman said he was "disillusioned" by Mr Gibson's arrest.
"Tom saw the news and the situation as it was unfolding with Mel Gibson and made a conscious decision to direct people not to use the letter any further," campaign spokesman Stan Devereaux said.
The letter has been sent to potential donors four times over the past year.
Mr Devereaux added that there had been no plans to use it again, even before Gibson's arrest.
'Impressed'
In the letter, the actor said he was impressed by Senator McClintock when he ran against Arnold Schwarzenegger to be governor of California in 2003.
"When someone like Senator Tom McClintock steps forward and is willing to fight for basic American principles for all Californians, I intend to stand with him," Gibson wrote.
Mr Gibson is expected to appear in court on charges related to drink-driving on 28 September.
He is accused of driving under the influence, having a raised blood-alcohol level and having an open alcohol bottle in the car.
In a statement released last week, Gibson admitted making "harmful" comments during his arrest but insisted he was not an anti-Semite.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/4775341.stm
Wow, even Republicans are running from this guy.
And a side note, South Park replayed "The Passion of the Jew" last night. What great timing!
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