Get real. If someone was shooting rockets into your house trying to kill you...
POSTED BY: DukKati
UPDATED: Monday, August 14, 2006 05:43
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Originally posted by citizen:
Why don't you come out and say it rather than implying it?
Say or imply what?
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I also wonder why you bothered responding to me since you've already labelled me as the fanatical rabid lefty wishing to drive the right from these good shores.
Always so touchy Citizen, just because someone responds to a post of yours does not mean they are personally attacking you. Please show me proof that I have labeled you a fanatical rabid lefty who needs to be driven from the good shores.
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It was aimed at winding up miss America up there, still don't see any of your even handed posts directed at his alegations (all French and British people are this that and the other) maybe you agree with them?
As I stated above, I do not feed the trolls. And I consider anyone who starts a thread to attack another poster a troll. Hence why I will not respond to Kaneman. I will, however, stop responding to you if you would perfer, I wouldn't want things to get too personal.
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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Quote:Where as you haven't got an opinion at all. It's hardly surprising I comment on American FORIEGN policy (rarely on domestic if at all) since such things effect me and most the threads around here are or end up being about American foriegn policy.
Originally posted by kaneman:
Hey citz, you frog faced limey. Glad to see I haunt you in your dreams. I think I'll be nice today...So I'll have to ignore you posts...But before I go into positive mode, Eat me. Oh, not all Americans that call Brits...limeys or French.......frogs are rednecks, psst...read a poll on American feelings towards France........ I read your posts and can't believe you don't live hear in the states. All you do is sit around and bash the US and our policies(even domestic policy), you are a pompous ass idiot. You have a comment on anything from the state sales tax in Utah to proposition 56 in Hartford, CT........Give it a fu*king rest. OOOOH, Gotta go ...Tea time.
I called you a redneck because you are a redneck, go back to stringing up the 'blacks' you racist little prick
.That and another give away is that you couldn't string a sentence together if your life depended on it.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Quote:I said a rabid lefty who wants to drive the RIGHT from these shores. Are you saying that you didn't tell me the only reason I ever post here is to drive right-wing posters away? Do I need to actually dig up the quote?
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Please show me proof that I have labeled you a fanatical rabid lefty who needs to be driven from the good shores.
Quote:You'll understand my touchyness considering last time we spoke you went all out on me while ignoring right-wing posters throwing nazi accusations around. As for replying to me that's totally up to you.
Hence why I will not respond to Kaneman. I will, however, stop responding to you if you would perfer, I wouldn't want things to get too personal.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Can't we all just get along?
Uhh...I guess not all the time...
Descendent of frog-faced limeys Chrisisall
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Quote:Ironic, or perhaps hypocritical, that this is exactly what you’re doing. You’re anti-Israeli sentiment is so obvious that at this point I can essentially call it a fact. Let’s briefly examine it, shall we?
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
I just do it to yank the skirts of the damned fools who seem to think it's all A-OK for one side to slaughter civilians, and BAD for the other side to do so, a duplicity that's helped feed this entire conflict.
You claim that Israel is “arbitrarily shelling civilian populations in response to the slightest hint of provocation.”
This “slightest hint of provocation” that you talk about is the cross-border attack by Hezbollah in which 8 IDF soldiers were killed and 2 were abducted, and the indiscriminate missile barrages on Israeli civilian populations. What is really troubling about this statement is that no where in your posts did you criticize Hezbollah for their arbitrary shelling of Israeli civilian populations, and it is arbitrary, because Katyusha missiles aren’t guided like Israeli missiles. Hezbollah can’t drop them on a designated target if they wanted to, all they can do is lob them into neighborhoods, which they seem happy to do and you’re either ignorant of that fact, or okay with it. Is killing Israeli civilians “A-OK?”
And that’s the tip of the iceberg of you anti-Israeli sentiment. You go on to accuse Israel of murdering people, stealing people’s land and deliberately killing UN peace keepers. You blindly accept Hezbollah’s story, while completely dismissing Israel’s side, which happens to be currently supported by the media, and then accuse the media of lying because they don’t tell you what you want to hear.
As if that’s not bad enough, you then go on to characterize Hezbollah as defending itself from Israeli aggression, in spite of Hezbollah’s invasion of Israeli territory and abduction of Israeli soldiers, something that even Hezbollah’s leader admits was planned months in advance. Wow, Nasrallah must be pretty smart to be able to plan months in advance to “defend” themselves by abducting Israeli soldiers.
I probably couldn't get a more lopsided version of events if I spoke with the Aryan Nation.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Current events have been keeping me very busy at work.
Originally posted by citizen:
BTW it's good to see you back, where you been?
Also some cool new PC games about Rome are coming out. Me being such a Romeophile, I’m genetically obligated to play them, which kind of squeezes out my FFF.net.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Well it’s hard to be in the right, when you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. There really aren’t any good options here, and both sides are wrong, depending on how you look at it. I’m not particularly pro-Israel; I don’t always think they do the right thing, but I think it’s clear, at least at this point, who wants peace and who doesn’t. And it’s that which defines, for me, the good guy and the bad guy, not who has the bigger fist.
Originally posted by Oddsbodskins:
Finn, it was a well-thought out and interesting post, food for thought, so to speak, will have to mull it over a little methinks. (althought at this point still leaning towards the point of view that hell, they're ALL in the wrong, but it's more pro-israel then my PoV had been previously, so your post made it's impact ^^ )
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Yep, you got no further than me not sucking the tit of our terrorist buddies.
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Morality 101.
If Hezbollah shells a civvie neighborhood - it is wrong.
If Israel shells a civvie neighborhood - it is wrong.
If you cross the border and fire at another countries troops or civvies, it's an act of aggression.
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I did NOT in any way, say that anyone was "defending themself" I stated that the available sources and stories did not match the "official line".
I blindly accept NO one's story, especially not yours.
Hell yes they murdered civvies, that's a fact, and it's not the first time they've done so - I exonerate no one.
As far as stealing peoples land, why don't you look up the original borders of Israel as established and agreed on, and look up where they are now, and ask a fekkin history teacher how they got that way ?
And the UN post in question made 24 calls to the IDF in an attempt to get it to stop, the UN concluded from the available evidence that the attacks were deliberate, a political bomb they'd be awfully unwilling to drop if they did not feel they could back it up.
Israel has been guilty of terrorist action just as any other middle eastern nation, and this blind spot that it's somehow evil when anyone else does it, and virtous when Israel does it is personally sickening to me.
Dead civvies are dead civvies no matter who killed em, mister, does it make them any less dead whether the IDF or Hezbollah killed em ?, nope.
As for the media, I accuse them of lying when they've lied to me, and when the "official story" doesn't fit the facts or the situation - if you bought three cars from a certain dealer and they were all lemons, would you buy your fourth car there ?
To me personally, it looks like the usual cross-border violence and chicanery both sides routinely involve themselves in, and Hezbollah got lucky and capitalized on it, which is the most likely course of events.
If you'd bothered to read the post at all beyond your little hissy point, or any of my posts on this issue, you'd realize I characterise the entire lot of them as terrorist scum, universally guilty of heinous deeds, and the whole matter amounting to me personally as no more than a simple waste of our tax dollars that also happens to be pissing off the rest of the world and sabotaging any efforts at diplomacy we make.
But you don't get past the "OMG! You dared criticize Israel, you evil anti-semite, terrorist-supporter!" and then throw accusations of racism.
I hate jackasses who deliberately target civvie population centers, no matter their nationality, no matter their race, creed, color or religion, and yes, that includes some chair-polishing shitheads at the pentagon who decided to shell neighborhoods in iraq too.
I look at these photos of carnage and misery, and the thought that my taxes paid for the death of some of these people makes me wanna fekkin puke, but all YOU see is that I dare piss on the sainted illusion that our allies are somehow the good guys when they do the same evil things the rest of the region does.
There's no excuse for it, none.
-Frem
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Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
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Morality 101.
If Hezbollah shells a civvie neighborhood - it is wrong.
If Israel shells a civvie neighborhood - it is wrong.
If you cross the border and fire at another countries troops or civvies, it's an act of aggression.
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…and installing rocket-sites and military installations in your civilian neighbourhood is "wrong".
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As far as stealing peoples land, why don't you look up the original borders of Israel as established and agreed on, and look up where they are now, and ask a fekkin history teacher how they got that way ?
Well, this is a difficult question and the idea of asking a history teacher isn´t that bad at all. What I remember strongly, is that Egypt, Saudi-Arabia, Jordan, Lebanon, Iraq & Syria declared war the same day, Isreal was constituted in 1948.
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Israel has been guilty of terrorist action just as any other middle eastern nation (...)
No, they´re not. You may accuse them for committing “war-crimes”, but the Israeli government is not a terrorist organization. Hamas & Hezbollah are. By firing rockets on Israel, Hezbollah finally proved, that this is not about the Lebanese people struggling for Freedom. Which is no excuse for them Israelis to completely go mad now, of course.
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I hate jackasses who deliberately target civvie population centers, no matter their nationality, no matter their race, creed, color or religion, and yes, that includes some chair-polishing shitheads at the pentagon who decided to shell neighborhoods in iraq too.
I agree on that. Btw, as you know, a certain Mr. Harris (a huge fan of area-bombing and incendiary-bombing in the 40´s) wanted to undertake massive air-strikes on the cities of Berlin, Dresden, Leipzig, and Chemnitz in the last days of WW2. On the 13th February 1945, over 700 Avro Lancasters bombed Dresden. During the next two days the USAAF sent over 500 heavy bombers to follow up the RAF attack. Dresden was nearly totally destroyed. As a result of the firestorm it was afterwards impossible to count the number of victims. Recent research suggest that 35,000 were killed but some German sources have argued that it was over 100,000. In fact at the time of the raids there were up to 300,000 refugees in the city seeking sanctuary from the fighting on the Eastern Front.
I believe you consider the excessive bombing of german civilians in Dresden (or Hamburg) at the end of WW2 a terrorist act as well, aren´t you? I mean, it was primarily an assault on the civilian population, who had “little or no chance of defending themselves (…)”!
A.
Ted Striker: My orders came through. My squadron ships out tomorrow. We're bombing the storage depots at Daiquiri at 1800 hours. We're coming in from the north, below their radar.
Elaine Dickinson: When will you be back?
Ted Striker: I can't tell you that. It's classified.
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Quote:I think that was me, unless Ferm did too? My opinion has been somewhat distorted by trying to wind up the militant rightwing fanatics.
Originally posted by Finn Mac Cuhmal:
you then go on to characterize Hezbollah as defending itself from Israeli aggression,
Quote:No, but why prescribe lopsided 'worth' to Israeli civilians?
Is killing Israeli civilians “A-OK?”
Quote:Is this better? Hezbollah shoots off missiles some of which hit civilian targets (it's my understanding that most of Hezbollah's rockets don't hit any target, unless you call a bush in the middle of the desert a target), Israel targets civilians.
Katyusha missiles aren’t guided like Israeli missiles. Hezbollah can’t drop them on a designated target if they wanted to, all they can do is lob them into neighborhoods, which they seem happy to do and you’re either ignorant of that fact, or okay with it.
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