Get real. If someone was shooting rockets into your house trying to kill you...
POSTED BY: DukKati
UPDATED: Monday, August 14, 2006 05:43
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I took it in the context of me personally, not me as a nation (because me as a nation would suck, and I'm not afraid to admit it). Again, sorry if that offends anyone.
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m'kay, so, back, rested and caffienated.
first up, Kaneman, mate, maybe i was being stuffy, but at the end of the day, you wan't to be rude and argue with people, you go ahead and be rude and argue with them, t'ain't worth my time or my bother ^.^
Finn, it was a well-thought out and interesting post, food for thought, so to speak, will have to mull it over a little methinks. (althought at this point still leaning towards the point of view that hell, they're ALL in the wrong, but it's more pro-israel then my PoV had been previously, so your post made it's impact ^^ )
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Originally posted by citizen:
Grenada is the second smallest nation in the western hemisphere but you pansys were so scared of said piss-ant nation you had to go ahead and invade. Now you think you're hard as coffin nails because you beat an army consisting of three guys and a sharp stick.
Fighting continued for several days and the total number of American troops reached some 7,000 along with 300 troops from the assisting neighboring islands of Antigua, Barbados, Dominica, Jamaica, Saint Lucia, and Saint Vincent. Invading U.S. forces encountered soldiers and advisors from various countries, including 1200 Grenadians, 784 Cubans (636 of which were construction workers and 43 of which were military personnel—both official Cuban figures. The construction workers were all militarily trained and lightly armed, but they were very ineffective militarily), 49 Soviets, 24 North Koreans, 16 East Germans, 14 Bulgarians, and 3 or 4 Libyans.
The invasion was the first major operation conducted by the U.S. military since the Vietnam War. By mid December, the American troops withdrew after a new government was appointed by the governor-general. Nineteen U.S. soldiers were killed and 106 were injured in the fighting.[3] Cuban and Grenadian losses were reported to be approximately 100 dead and 350 wounded.
I found the information on Wikipedia because I thought there were at least half a dozen soldiers who had both rocks and sticks. The rest of the article is a good read, check it out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasion_of_Greneda
De-lurking to stir stuff up.
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Now prove you really are unbiased and just trying to bring balance as you like to make out and correct Kaneman.
I'm aware of what Grenada was all about and what happened, it's Kaneman that needs a history lesson.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:
Now prove you really are unbiased and just trying to bring balance as you like to make out and correct Kaneman.
I'm aware of what Grenada was all about and what happened, it's Kaneman that needs a history lesson.
Yes Citizen, Kaneman does need a history lesson. You seemed to be doing just fine and I abhor repitition.
I was simply providing facts about said invasion which all posters can read, including Kaneman. If I am as biased as you think I am, I wouldn't have provided the link. Overall it doesn't paint the Administration at the time in a very good light.
Now if I had posted something intentionally mis-leading would you not in turn call me on it?
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Quote:Not if you'd posted it just to wind up some redneck, no.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Now if I had posted something intentionally mis-leading would you not in turn call me on it?
I mean intentionally misleading? If anyone thinks 'three guys and a sharp stick' was meant as a serious assessment of Grenada's military power they've got problems far more serious than being deliberately misled.
More insane ramblings by the people who brought you beeeer milkshakes!
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
Now if I had posted something intentionally mis-leading would you not in turn call me on it?
Not if you'd posted it just to wind up some redneck, no.
But that is something I never do. I try to let the more 'fanatical posters' have their say but only respond to the more thoughtful posters. If this makes me biased than guilty as charged. I would rather have a discussion than a flame war but to each his/her own.
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I mean intentionally misleading? If anyone thinks 'three guys and a sharp stick' was meant as a serious assessment of Grenada's military power they've got problems far more serious than being deliberately misled.
Hence why I prefaced my original post with
'half a dozen guys with rocks and sticks'.
It was more your reasoning behind the invasion. Were the pansy Americans scared of the tiny Island Nation? Or were they concerned with the bloody Coup and the resulting communist influence. Just what were those 'Soviets', North Koreans, East Germans, and Libyans doing in Grenada besides vacationing?
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Quote:Why don't you come out and say it rather than implying it? I also wonder why you bothered responding to me since you've already labelled me as the fanatical rabid lefty wishing to drive the right from these good shores.
Originally posted by BigDamnNobody:
I would rather have a discussion than a flame war but to each his/her own.
Quote:It was aimed at winding up miss America up there, still don't see any of your even handed posts directed at his alegations (all French and British people are this that and the other) maybe you agree with them?
It was more your reasoning behind the invasion. Were the pansy Americans scared of the tiny Island Nation? Or were they concerned with the bloody Coup and the resulting communist influence. Just what were those 'Soviets', North Koreans, East Germans, and Libyans doing in Grenada besides vacationing?
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Hey citz, you frog faced limey. Glad to see I haunt you in your dreams. I think I'll be nice today...So I'll have to ignore you posts...But before I go into positive mode, Eat me. Oh, not all Americans that call Brits...limeys or French.......frogs are rednecks, psst...read a poll on American feelings towards France........ I read your posts and can't believe you don't live hear in the states. All you do is sit around and bash the US and our policies(even domestic policy), you are a pompous ass idiot. You have a comment on anything from the state sales tax in Utah to proposition 56 in Hartford, CT........Give it a fu*king rest. OOOOH, Gotta go ...Tea time.
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These kinds of things are always murky, but the official story is quite clear and quite different from your story.
The "official" story, eh ?
So, show me these WMDs Saddam had, how bout that ?
Show me Osama had anything to do with 9-11 ?
I dunno about you, but when I've been lied to repeatedly by the folks spouting the "official" story, I exercise a hefty degree of skepticism when they tell me something that doesn't quite jibe with the situation at hand.
So, in essence, we have two stories, and three sources.
#1 - the "official" mainstream media, which has repeatedly lied to us.
It's also come to my attention that one of the news services I *did* trust, repeatedly changed it's story on this issue to match the "official" line, which makes me intensely suspicious.
#2 - sympathetic arabic media, which I have to discount because of conflict-of-interest given the situation, and doubts about the veracity of their mainstream media as well.
#3 - Uninvolved news sources with actual investigative reporters in the area, who do not have the level of committment or involvement likely to bias.
Now, given the choices, and the stories, when #2 and #3 match, and #1 is telling me a different tale, no, I am not going to buy it.
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You can decide for yourself which one you will accept, but considering the raging anti-Israeli sentiment your posts seem to convey I’m guessing you've made up your mind regardless of any evidence.
I love this... "How dare you call them on a mass slaughter of civilians, it's Anti-Semetic!"
Bullshit.
I'm not pissed at them, I am pissed at MY MONEY financing them, what part of this did you not get ? and what part of calling a spade a spade did you construe as being Anti-Israeli ? you do something horrible, it's a horrible thing regardless of the context you did it in, and I am not given to polite fictions to cover ugly truths.
Again, and lemme repeat this again because it's not sinking in, I don't honestly give a shit about right or wrong in this, you could make a case either way, and the evidence is against our so-called allies for the most part, but it's meaningless in light of the situation at hand - I just do it to yank the skirts of the damned fools who seem to think it's all A-OK for one side to slaughter civilians, and BAD for the other side to do so, a duplicity that's helped feed this entire conflict.
Again, and again, I do not CARE who started what, I do not CARE who has the moral high ground, are we clear ?
What I DO CARE about, is our tax money helping to prop up and arm one set of terrorists against another, when we need it here so very much more - let em kill each other on their own dime.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THIS ?
Or did you get no further than me not sucking the tit of our terrorist "buddies" and throw a hissy about it ?
If you don't understand my point by now, I'm through trying to make it to you.
-Frem
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