Get real. If someone was shooting rockets into your house trying to kill you...
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Kaneman: I *hope* you're just being sarcastic. I'd like to think no one could actually be that ignorant, but recent posts by a few here have shaken my certainty.
You're quick to bag on France and England, but you need to go brush up on your history a bit. Without the aid of France in the Revolutionary War, the US would not exist today. France sent weapons, naval support, and troops to the Continental Army at the time of their direst need, and enabled them to continue the fight against the British.
Mind you, this wasn't an altruistic move on France's part - it was an attempt to weaken the British Empire. Still, though, the French did help us, and for that, we're forever in their debt. How much did they help? Enough that it destroyed their economy, and led directly to their OWN revolution in 1789.
The British held of the Nazi Luftwaffe in the summer of 1940 during the Battle of Britain, keeping them from taking over England. This turned out to be quite important for the US a year and a half later, when we joined WWII. It gave us a base of operations from which to launch attacks at the Nazi stronghold which then included just about all of Europe with the exception of the British Isles. In essence, England became the world's largest aircraft carrier, and combined Allied air attacks launched from England finally cleared the way for a massive Allied naval force to cross the Channel and set foot on French soil in June 1944. There's serious doubt that we could have won the war without the aid, the personnel, and the bases that England provided, and for that we are forever in each other's debt.
Once we landed in France, it wasn't long before we liberated the country, and for that they're forever in our debt.
So you see, the three are inextricably intertwined, and their fates are, to a certain extent, now linked.
Oh, and if you're just going to try to be insulting, PLEASE get your bigotted names right. The French are the "frogs", not the British; the Brits are "limeys", the Irish are "micks", and the Scots are... well, they're just the best whiskey-makers in the world!
Oh, and those frogs that you hate so much? They also gave us a pretty cool statue that most Americans seem to like. You might have seen it - big green chick standing off Manhattan holding up a light of liberty for the world to see? Maybe you want us to give it back to them, since we don't seem to be using it right now.
Mike
Remember, Kiddies, you can't spell "QUAGMIRE" without "I", "R", "A", & "Q"!
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Originally posted by Kwicko:
Kaneman: I *hope* you're just being sarcastic. I'd like to think no one could actually be that ignorant, but recent posts by a few here have shaken my certainty.
You're quick to bag on France and England, but you need to go brush up on your history a bit. Without the aid of France in the Revolutionary War, the US would not exist today. France sent weapons, naval support, and troops to the Continental Army at the time of their direst need, and enabled them to continue the fight against the British.
Mind you, this wasn't an altruistic move on France's part - it was an attempt to weaken the British Empire. Still, though, the French did help us, and for that, we're forever in their debt. How much did they help? Enough that it destroyed their economy, and led directly to their OWN revolution in 1789.
The British held of the Nazi Luftwaffe in the summer of 1940 during the Battle of Britain, keeping them from taking over England. This turned out to be quite important for the US a year and a half later, when we joined WWII. It gave us a base of operations from which to launch attacks at the Nazi stronghold which then included just about all of Europe with the exception of the British Isles. In essence, England became the world's largest aircraft carrier, and combined Allied air attacks launched from England finally cleared the way for a massive Allied naval force to cross the Channel and set foot on French soil in June 1944. There's serious doubt that we could have won the war without the aid, the personnel, and the bases that England provided, and for that we are forever in each other's debt.
Once we landed in France, it wasn't long before we liberated the country, and for that they're forever in our debt.
So you see, the three are inextricably intertwined, and their fates are, to a certain extent, now linked.
Oh, and if you're just going to try to be insulting, PLEASE get your bigotted names right. The French are the "frogs", not the British; the Brits are "limeys", the Irish are "micks", and the Scots are... well, they're just the best whiskey-makers in the world!
Oh, and those frogs that you hate so much? They also gave us a pretty cool statue that most Americans seem to like. You might have seen it - big green chick standing off Manhattan holding up a light of liberty for the world to see? Maybe you want us to give it back to them, since we don't seem to be using it right now.
Mike
Remember, Kiddies, you can't spell "QUAGMIRE" without "I", "R", "A", & "Q"!
Yes, most of what I say is sarcastic...However, France has done nothing in the last 200yrs. but try to "Weaken" America. Those cheese eatin freaks are no allies of ours. Quite the opposite. And who gave those yellow bellied, Wine drinkin, None shower takin blowhards a permanent seat on that useless as* UN anyway?
And stop with your ancient history. As the worlds wisest man once said "What the fu*k have you done for me lately(Besides given me a big mutha truckin headache)? So I think I'm trying to say....SSSHHH
PS British are the Brits to me
Scottish are the Scots
Irish are the guys at the end of the bar.
I am well aware who is a limey etc. to me any pansy foreign tree hugger that has to constantly comment on America is a frog.
PSS And the lunatic spouting off about dimes or change and shit bellow me... is also a frog... an e-tarded frog to boot!
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One more thing, Israel didn't start this action get your facts right.
They are straight.
The two so-called "kidnapped" soldiers were captured in Aita al Chaab, which is inside Lebanon, and were part of 32 raids into Lebanese territory carried out that day.
I dunno what you'd call that... what, how about "pre-emptive self-defense", a Fox News special, right ?
The ONLY reports stating that this so-called "kidnapping" occured on Izzie soil are... well, golly gee, from Izzie sources, whee!.. and not even all of those.
Do your own fucking research and cross-compare, instead of spouting Faux News propaganda - and no, I don't regard them as a reliable source - you show me AP Wire, Reuters, or a viable, actual news outlet.. if the Gannon Incident proved nothing else, it damn well proves you should not simply accept what any one source tells you without back-checking it, period.
Look, I don't get into right or wrong, what I am pissed about is our tax dollars propping up a murderous regime who's actions are somehow spun as virtuous, in spite of them being every bit as downright evil and vicious as any other middle eastern nation, many of which we also financially support in some fashion.
Personally, watching folks try to JUSTIFY this kind of behavior, from ANYONE, makes me wanna puke, there's NO excuse for the deliberate mass-murder of civvies, and if you think that's all well and good, what's that say about you ?
How I see it, is that they're all fucking terrorists, cause bombing hospitals and schools or key infrastructure, that's a terrorist act whether you do it with a backpack loaded with C-4, or rockets, or bombing them from the air - it's STILL A TERRORIST ACT, period.
Just because we're propping up one sick little bunch of terrorists and calling it a "legitimate government" and helping it demolish other sick little bunches of terrorists doesn't make it a right thing, doesn't make it a good thing, and the only people really, truly being hurt by this are hundreds of civvies caught in the middle.
And there we are, giving some of them bombs and guns to kill more folk, and who pays the bill for them, folks ?
You and me.
Let's not delude ourselves with petty and laughable little rationalizations that we're doing anything but supporting one group of terrorists over another when the facts of the matter are staring us in the face.
Let em kill each other on their own dime, our tax dollars are needed HERE for life, not THERE for death.
-Frem
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Quote:I’d call that Lebanon's story.
Originally posted by Fremdfirma:
The two so-called "kidnapped" soldiers were captured in Aita al Chaab, which is inside Lebanon, and were part of 32 raids into Lebanese territory carried out that day.
I dunno what you'd call that...
The current accepted version of the story is that the soldiers were abducted in Northern Israel between Zar’it and Shtula.
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Shortly after Hezbollah fighters attacked an IDF military vehicle between Zar'it and Shtula and kidnapped the soldiers, the Islamic militia's leader, Sheik Hassan Nasrallah, called the abductions as "our natural, only and logical right."
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/12/mideast/index.html
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Hezbollah’s assault on Israeli soldiers inside Israeli territory bore similarities to the raid by the Palestinians last month, and suddenly, the crisis on Israel’s southern flank had essentially been replicated on its northern border, ratcheting up tensions even further.
. . .
“The capture of the two soldiers could provide a solution to the Gaza crisis,” Sheik Nasrallah said in Beirut. The operation had been planned for months, he said, though he added, “the timing, no doubt, provides support for our brothers in Palestine.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/12/world/middleeast/12cnd-mideast.html?
ex=1310356800&en=edb3d5b4d4e9f84d&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss
And of course the leader of Hezbollah himself admits that this was not happenstance defensive response. The abduction of Israeli soldiers had been planned for months. Furthermore, Hamas had made a similar abduction within Israeli territory, so it seems quite likely that this has become the Middle Eastern terrorists’ new forte.
These kinds of things are always murky, but the official story is quite clear and quite different from your story. You can decide for yourself which one you will accept, but considering the raging anti-Israeli sentiment your posts seem to convey I’m guessing you've made up your mind regardless of any evidence.
Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum.
Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system.
-- Cicero
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Quote:Lets just slide right by the issue of that sentance making little or no sense shall we? I haven't upset you have I ahh, bless
Originally posted by kaneman:
Spoke like a true liberal limey.....First we saved or whooped your english as* how many times? Every........Period
.Spoken like a true extreme conservative bigot yank. You've beaten us never (it was actually the French, I'll get to that in a minute) and you've saved us, well technically I suppose you could say the Second World War (remembering the battle of Britain had already been won while you girls watched too afraid to join in). And I might add if it wasn't for us holding out against overwhelming odds enduring hardships you'd piss your pants and cry about you'd be either goose stepping too you're work in Texas's largest camp for the ministry of change (Changes living Jews into dead Jews since 1946) or saluting the flag of your imperial Japanese overseerers.
Quote:That was the French, though an ignorant racist bigot like you really cannot be expected to tell the difference (that would be the French, the ones that did most of the fighting and won nearly all the battles of that little revolutionary war you keep going on about).
Oh, last I checked... The only reason we went into Vet. was because you got your as* kicked(Or was thatthefrench)
Quote:South America is your fuck up, Grenada is the second smallest nation in the western hemisphere but you pansys were so scared of said piss-ant nation you had to go ahead and invade. Now you think you're hard as coffin nails because you beat an army consisting of three guys and a sharp stick.
..Grenada.HaHaMuthafrakinHaHa, South America HaHamuthafrakinha,
Quote:Was given independence...
India,
Quote:Needed the French to give it independence (that's the gay arse pansy French you were talking about).
AMERICA..
Quote:Since when? Oh that's right rednecks don't know anything about other states let alone other countries, nevermind
Your biggest national heros? King Arthur, Peter pan, Robin hood!
.Quote:I think you mean think it over dear, and please I know it's taxing for you but Tree frog? The racial slur for the British is Limeys, frog is French, tree frog I think you just made up old girl.
Think about it over tea frog.
Besides you want to talk about national heros, Superman, the gayiest super hero in all christendom, Batman (likes 'em young Robin)...
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Quote:Finn Rainman has been starting threads merely to attack me, saying all Brits are homosexual, in fact more racial slurs than I care to repeat, and generally harassing me (along with some pretty low personal attacks that my four year old god daughter would think are a little childish).
Originally posted by Finn mac Cumhal:
I don’t know anything about Kaneman, but the comment about losing every war that wasn’t backed by Britain is a pretty pejorative statement. Americans get called arrogant for making statements like that; I think British people should too.
If I give some of his immature racist bullshit back to wind his little redneck self up it doesn't mean I get to be called arrogant, or that I necessarilly believe it, it means I'm bored of dealing with twelve year old redneck morons.
BTW it's good to see you back, where you been?
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Originally posted by citizen:Quote:You think Jews are dirty? I suppose that fits in with you general outlook, they're not conservative Christian American so not 'good'.
Originally posted by 'Hero':
"dirty Jews"
Turns out there are lots of words in the sentence I wrote. And before that there were more words in the entire message. I was making a larger point by specifically tying that reference to another poster who used the term "dirty arabs".
I apologize if my point was lost on you. I should have known better since many of you can't see past your own ignorance.
Is context important?
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Originally posted by citizen:
Jews are dirty
Perhaps you and I agree after all...
H
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Originally posted by yinyang:
I prefer reality; but, thanks for the suggestion.
I'm a Prosecutor and believe me...reality sucks.
Anyway, my point is that for those seeking justice, the crime is merely the begining of the journey.
H
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Originally posted by yinyang:
It's not to say I wouldn't make some effort to save myself; it's just that the chances of me surviving multiple rocket attacks is slim to nil.
If you would try to save yourself, yet waiting until the attack is underway would result in your death then you are left with two choices. One is surrender (which is no guarrantee of survival), the other preemptive war.
The third option is diplomacy, but thats not viable because the other party is not willing to accept any agreement and would be just as satisfied having killed you then not.
Your two sentences manage to justify the War on Terror, the Iraqi Invasion, and the Isreali conflict with Palestine and Hezbollah. Thanks...your Bush/Cheney '08 button is in the mail.
H
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Oh Hero playing the victim card when all I did is do to you what you did to me, that's really quite funny and pathetic, and par for the course with you of course. As ussual it's only okay if you're the one doing it.
Quote:This sentence fits you better than most.
I should have known better since many of you can't see past your own ignorance.
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