Equilibrium - has anyone seen it?
POSTED BY: Esther
UPDATED: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 17:38
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I really liked the movie too, but then I always enjoy a good dystopian future film. I also tried to find the O.S.T. after I saw the movie, and I didn't have any luck either. I checked iTunes, eBay, and Amazon. It maybe that there simply isn't one, since it was a low-budget, indie film.
Morbid and creepifying I got no problem with, so long as you do it quiet like.
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i think i remember reading somewhere that there is infact no O.S.T.
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Originally posted by jamaicanbatman:
Well for example, I would consider Serenity to be A good movie, with an excellent storyline, good acting, snappy one-liners, and general brilliance.
Equilibrium was just plain stupid. painfully predictable, poorly acted, poorly scripted, full of plotholes and if you want people to know a character is good, then you do it through character development. YOU DON'T JUST PUT THE MAIN CHARCTER IN A WHITE SUIT AND THE BAD GUYS IN BLACK GORRAMMIT!!!
Well now, see? It wasn't that hard to actually describe what you didn't like about the movie now was it? Granted, you obviously didn't pay enough attention because there was pleanty of character developement. As far as using Serenity as your shield, that doesn't work. If you didn't like FF/S, then you wouldn't be here. So try again.
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oh and idiot? low blow.
It was no more of a low blow then what you said to us. You called us nuts and said the movie was terrible without any reasoning at all. I insulted you, yes, but not after you insulted everyone that posted on this thread. Don't dish it out unless you are prepared to recieve it.
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okay Pat, (short for patronising. Geddit?) the nuts remark may have been uncalled for, but my point still stands. and as far as character development goes, christian bale (whom has been brilliant in almost every other film i have seen him in) shoots sean bean, then just decides to start feeling again. and what can you say about a character who can stand idly by and let PEOPLE get shot by fascist police and even kill them himself, but just cant bear to see an ickle puppy dog die.
And as far as using serenity as a sheild, your talking out of your ar*e! i illustrated how a film, which everyone here must have seen, has qualities which make it a good film, and that Equilibrium lacks said qualities.
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Originally posted by jamaicanbatman:
If you want to see a list of my favourite films, have a gander at:
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I notice a theme in the movies. The only one's I have to flat out disagree with are Kill Bill Vol 2 and The Godfather 3. I will grudgingly give you Jackie Browm, though I didn't like it personally, I did see the appeal to it. Other then that, I'd say you have a comprehensive list.
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hang about pal, whats wrong with kill bill 2?
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Well, the first one was good, hokey, but good. When Kiddo was in America it had the feel of an American action movie, when she was in Japan, it felt like an anime. The characters were strong and the premise was solid. The second one kind of threw all that away and struggled for a conclusion that just felt rushed, and quite frankly, fake. And David Carradine was completely wasted on a two-dimensional character.
Like the Matrix sequels, it couldn't live up to, and in the end tarnished, the original.
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sorry pal but your wrong. kill bill two wasnt going for the same feel as one and chose for the spaghetti western style instead, but it was hardly rushed though. but no way was bill two dimensional. on the one hand being a superassassin, and on the other a loving family man. he only comes off 2D coz of the lack of screen time he has.
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Originally posted by jamaicanbatman:
and as far as character development goes, christian bale (whom has been brilliant in almost every other film i have seen him in) shoots sean bean, then just decides to start feeling again. and what can you say about a character who can stand idly by and let PEOPLE get shot by fascist police and even kill them himself, but just cant bear to see an ickle puppy dog die.
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Hmm ... lets see.
- he shoots Shean bean, because he believes in the system (and in father).
- he does not "decide" to feel again. When his Prosium drops, that is (at best) sub-conscious. Then he slowly walkes into the world of feeling, insecure, overwhelmned in some parts (remember the music), scared at others (remember the sun-rise). He still is not sure, whether feeling is in fact a good thing (it makes onself loosing control).
- he stands back, when the resistance men get killed, because there is nothing, he can do (some policeman having their guns in position AND a cleric might have been too much even for him). Further, it would be of no good for "the cause". He can do more, staying "inside the system". This is obviously, what the resitance guy thinks too (remember the shot nod, they give to eachother?)
- he does not defend the DOG! He defends HIMSELF, because the policemen know (seing the dog) that he is a sense-offender and will have to kill him right there. I don't think, he would have fought for the dog alone. He fights for his life (and I always had the feeling, that something "snaps" inm him, becoming all mashine-like, as he was. He probably could't have stopped it)
- they did not "define" him as good by putting him into the white outfit (after all, he wears black through most of the movie). That was just the "gala uniform" he wears for the audience at father.
I think, that there is a lot in the movie, if you care to look at it closely, not just at the obvious. And in fact, it's not about feeling, it's all about control (government controling the people, people controling themselfs etc.). because, after all, Joss in the BDM is right: If people have no feelings at all, they will not be able to live at all. So prosium can oly dull emotions, but people have to do some of the suppression themselfs (and the clerics are especially good in it)
I love the scene at the end, when Preston tenderly caresses the picture of father on the screen, (before he shoots it). You can see, that he is sad of loosing his dream of a perfect world. And he is right - at the end, there are riots and shooting. War has returned (as everyone had feared). So Preston is a torn figure, because he has to realise, that there is no "perfect" world, but he still decides to fight for one of the imperfect versions.
Preston reminds me a bit of the fed in the Serenity Movie. However, the fed kind of gives up, when he finds out, that his dream of perfection is a lie (ever seen the takeout-scene, where he and Mal talk at the end? From memory it goes about that: Fed: "You lost everything - If that happens, how can one go on?" Mal: "If you keep standing in front of that engine, you'll never find out. (by himself:) What a whiner!)
Preson does not give up. He makes a decision, turning against everything he believed, having killed about everyone he had ever loved, but still going on.
I dunno, that's what I like about a "hero"-figure. Not, that he kicks peoples asses.
Esther
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Meh, it's just as bland as the society it portrays. Your standard dystopian story with Matrix elements thrown in - how novel. Its one original premise - the "gun kata" - is hokey nonsense. If someone would just take a few steps back and aim for the center of the moving mass, his fancy moves wouldn't help him but for some reason everyone uses their weapons at point blank range. The premise is flawed as well. It assumes everybody would be a pacifist without emotions. Look to the rest of the animal kingdom and you'll see intraspecific competition. Our wars are just an extension of that. As a matter of fact, organised warfare is known to happen among ants - not the most emotional of species. Assuming that people would let emotions get banned even in the most dire circumstances also stretches credibility . Like I said, meh.
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