Zoe?

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CAROLJUDE

Saturday, August 5, 2006 2:20 AM

We're sort of struggling - I'm a manager of a UPS Store, which are franchises (not a chain.) Corporate is for some reason doing all they can to hurt a lot of the stores (some think they are angling to establish the brand, then switch to corporate-ownership aka chain stores.) It's very tough, but we have a staff of brilliant but eccentric misfits, not fast-food slingers, and so we spend a lot of time thinking up new ways to keep ourselves in business; new strategies, services, etc. I tend to use the analogy of Empire vs. Rebel Alliance a lot when discussing it...

I'm trying my damndest to get him to let us get into petty thievery and salvage work... not to mention the whole carrying firearms thing.

Walk tall, or don't walk at all...

TRAVELER

Saturday, August 5, 2006 2:52 AM

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Originally posted by CarolJude:
staff of brilliant but eccentric misfits, not fast-food slingers, and so we spend a lot of time thinking up new ways to keep ourselves in business; new strategies, services, etc. I tend to use the analogy of Empire vs. Rebel Alliance a lot when discussing it...

I'm trying my damndest to get him to let us get into petty thievery and salvage work... not to mention the whole carrying firearms thing.

Walk tall, or don't walk at all...

UPS - Firefly crossover.

Were privately owned where I am now. The owner has a good sense of where to take the company. But were so large it is hard to get a feeling of fellowship. Fortunately the guy I share a cubicle with is great. He just smiles when I discuss Firefly and says "Addicted".

GOAT

Saturday, August 5, 2006 3:56 AM

I remember at the end of "heart of gold" right before Inara told Mal she was going to leave.

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I learned something from Nandy. Not just from what happened, but from her. The family she made... the strength of her love for them; its what kept them together. When you live with that kind of strength, you get tied to it; you can't break away and you never want to.

From what Zoe said about what happened in Serenity valley, I wonder if she felt similar and stayed with him because of that feeling.

TRAVELER

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:29 AM

GOAT:

I have not had much experience with that. Maybe that is why I have a hard time seeing it. But it makes sense. The people who have answered this thread seem to follow that connection.

Thank you and all above for this insite.
Traveler

TRAVELER

Saturday, August 5, 2006 4:30 AM

Double Posted.
The space monkeys have struck again.

RCAT

Sunday, August 6, 2006 5:50 AM

Zoe is, if nothing else, a soldier. After their war experiences together and the crushing defeat of Serenity Valley, she and Mal had a bond that couldn't be broken. I think they probably clung to each other, after the war, for support...neither feeling there was a place for them. They make a good team and both know it. Since there's was a platonic relationship, keeping things professional was probably the most comfortable way to stay together. As for Wash, he's her man, he balances/completes her. I'm sure she is conflicted about loyalty but as a soldier and a professional, duty comes first. I think her decision in War Stories was both calculated and from the heart.

ZZETTA13

Sunday, August 6, 2006 5:12 PM

I agree with Rcat that Zoe is hardcore soldier.I think shes had much disappointment in her life and has been let down many times. The independent army was the first time in her life where she experienced the discipline that she needed. Malcolm Reynolds became part of that. Like many of the crew of Serenity shes become detached from her original family or may have none remaining at all. FAMILY is an important message in the show. I think it is one of the main reasons ppl identify with FF. You can still have issues and still belong in a family that care and want you. I have no doubt that most if not all would die for one another on that boat.It was made clear in the "Ariel" eps when Mal tells Jayne about his turning in of Simon and River "You did it to me!"

Z

DESKTOPHIPPIE

Sunday, August 6, 2006 5:23 PM

There was a theory going around a while back that each member of the crew represents a part of himself that Mal lost during the war. Kaylee being his innocence, Book his faith, Wash his sense of fun etc. I'd wondered what part of Mal Zoe was supposed to represent. I thought it might be loyalty, but the truth is even as a thief Mal is pretty loyal. Heck, it's why he reacted so violently to Jayne's betrayal in Ariel.

I'm starting to think Zoe might represent conviction. She never doubts for a second that she did the right thing fighting the war, staying by Mal's side, staying on board Serenity etc. When Mal makes a bad decision Zoe is the first - and sometimes the only - person to speak up. She's also the first to support him when he makes a decision she thinks is right. Everybody remembers the scene in War Stories where Niska forced her to choose between Mal and Wash and she instantly chose Wash; no hesitation, no agonising over what to do, she just made the choice.

Zoe is also a soldier, first and last. She calls Mal "Sir", her tactics and skills are military, not criminal. Zoe seems to be the person who keeps Mal in touch with his Browncoat past and stops him sliding completely into a criminal life.

I know that's all very ineloquent, I haven't thought most of this through. I'm still trying to figure Zoe out.

CAPTURE

Sunday, August 6, 2006 8:48 PM

My take on it is that Zoe became just as F*ed up as Mal did during the battle of Serenity Valley, everyone else is gone, but the two of them "survived". They are kindred spirts and lost wanders of the same world. Zoe and Mal are broken, and while Zoe is much better at hiding it, I bet with out Mal she would be all bibeldy and stuff.

Capture

I ain't had nothing
twixt my nethers...weren't run on batteries.
Yup...still single...

SERENITYINSCOTLAND

Sunday, August 6, 2006 9:41 PM

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Originally posted by xitwound117:
I think "female version of Mal" is a quite a bit off the mark. Zoe is hardcore, Mal is not. Zoe hasn't changed since the war, Mal changed a hell of alot. Mal is also a hell of alot funnier than Zoe. I think he's more of a leader than Zoe is, as well.

I would have said it was the other way round - Mal is the one who hasn't changed much since Serenity Valley whereas Zoe has moved on (at least before the BDM). I don't think this is any clearer than in their clothes. In 'Out of Gas', they are both still wearing their browncoats in the flashback, but Mal is still wearing his nowwhile Zoe has stopped wearing hers. I wonder if she would start wearing it again cos the Alliance where kinda responsible for Wash's death....

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