Inconsistent Jayne in 'Safe'?

POSTED BY: IndigoStarblaster
UPDATED: Sunday, October 22, 2006 11:58
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MSG

Thursday, August 3, 2006 10:15 PM

Traveler...well said that is exactly how I see him. He reminds me of my students. It's not that they mean to be selfish or aggressive, it's that those things are all they have ever known and they don't know how to be any other way. Also, if they had been any other way they wouldn't have survived. Jayne brought survival skills to Serenity and along the journey he learned how to be.

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TRAVELER

Thursday, August 3, 2006 11:18 PM

I would have liked the series continue just see if Jayne does some growing up. When I see his behavior it reminds of myself when I know I've been immature. Then pride steps and you argue with yourself trying to push the blame on somebody or something else. There have been times I've really messed up and couldn't find anybody else to blame so I would get angry with God. If He hadn't this or that. God has been my whipping post plenty of times. I'm going to that special place. But Jayne deep inside is good. In the Message he is weight lifting and when he stops he notices Book standing over the body of the then supposed dead comrade. Jayne actually does apologize to Book thinking he may have disturbed some ritual. Book says no. But their conversation continues and Jayne actually exposes his feeling to Book. Not your typical Jayne.

I can see why we are such ardent fans of this show. Every character has a life. Their past has come on board Serenity with them. So each has learning experiences and problems to face.

It's as if Serenity was waiting for Mal to show up and buy her. River can sense here. She said "Fire" and knew what was coming. Did Serenity tell River in some way.

But this is another topic.

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BLINKER

Saturday, August 5, 2006 11:10 PM

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JAYNE
(suddenly more uncomfy)
Back up a sec. You're saying she might really read minds?

But long before that (TM), when River struggled with her problematic food, he sais: "Girl's a mind-readin' genius, can't figure out how to eat an ice-planet."

It's not necessarily inconsistent. River's seeming ability to know what everyone is thinking could have become a running joke among the crew. It's not until it's put on the table as a real possibility that Jayne takes the concept seriously: "You're saying she might really read minds?"

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TEACHDAIRE

Monday, August 7, 2006 12:12 AM

But what about Jaynes relationship with book. The two of the hang out a lot together, either working out in the cargo bay, or jus having a conversation in the kitchen like they did in OiS. Jayne seems to treat Book like a combination brother/father figure, and I think that is what's helped him develop as a person more than anything else in the series apart from Mal's short sharp shock in Ariel.

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WELLIMIGHT

Monday, August 7, 2006 12:37 AM

Acctually I dissagree entirely on the subject of their belongings. I don't think he was ashamed at all, I think that if Mal knew he had taken them he knew he was in the doghouse, and saying he was glad they were back, if you watch it it was very stiff, we just nessecary small-talk he said because he was nervous they would find out.

XITWOUND117

Tuesday, August 8, 2006 5:59 AM

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Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
But what I really noticed for the first time on this viewing was how inconsistent Jayne was in this episode. When Book gets shot, Jayne is focussed first on the fact that the lawmen are leaving and second on whether Mal had retrieved the money. He doesn't seem to care that Book is hurt. But when they're treating Book (both onboard Serenity and later in the Alliance medical facilities) Jayne seems just as worried about Book as the others.

Then there's when Jayne goes through and steals some of River and Simon's stuff when he thinks they're gone for good. That's certainly in character, given what we know of him to this point. But then, when they come back, Jayne hurriedly returns their stuff and does an awkward, "Glad you're back, doctor", as though he were ashamed of his stealing. It seemed to me it would be much more in character for him to return the stuff grudgingly and not caring if River and Simon knew he'd taken it, along the lines of, "Yeah, here's your stuff, since you're back."

Anyway, if anyone's got any insights into Jayne's character in this episode, I'd be curious to hear them.

I don't believe Jayne was aware of the fact that Book got shot when he was talking about the two other things (money and guys leaving). Mal finds out that book is shot after the gunfight, which means Jayne was not aware either because he was with Mal. Plus, the discovering of the shooting of Shepard Book is the last thing to happen before they go to the ship.

And all that aside, I don't imagine that Jayne would get all sentimental (worrying and care is sentiment) about anything during a firefight. Combat is Jayne's business, and when he's in combat he's doing his job. Fight first, everything else later.

Besides, Jayne not caring about Shepard Book just doesn't make sense. There's no way the writers would have let Jayne not care about Book considering Jayne makes more of a friend with Book than with anyone else on the ship (which I think says alot about Book).

You know, this is unrelated to the thread, but I think Jayne has much more of a bad reputation than he deserves. He seems to be considered as the dimwit/comedic relief, but I think he's one of the best characters in the series. He really isn't stupid: I don't think lack of exposure to a language thereby causing insufficient ability to communicate and understand as well as others counts as stupidity. You can't expect a linguist to know jack about combat. Plus, he's not a bad guy. "Jaynestown" shows so.

PROPHETESS89

Tuesday, August 8, 2006 9:06 AM

Well, the others cant very well force mal to turn the ship around... unless of course there was a terrible mutiny and they all tied him up and gagged him, which I'm sure they wouldnt do. Not for simon and river anyway. And about the gunshot wound, we didnt know he had been shot until mal had seen it... It would have been weird had she gasped before then.

As for zoe, I think she has a split loyalty. I think she understands the logic of what mal does, but she also has her own oppinions. And we all saw that Mal knows just as well as everyone else that his plans arent the smoothest...

I dont think Jayne wanted the captain to find out he had stolen from them and you noticed how he's kind of finicky around river? I think she scares him some.

I dont think jayne was worried about book. It seems to me that hayne doesnt really get attached to any of them unless he's known them for a long time. I didnt get the vibe that he was worried anyway. Sure, he was hanging around, but... hell, his motives could be skewed as they usually are

CITIZEN

Tuesday, August 8, 2006 9:28 AM

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Originally posted by IndigoStarblaster:
For example, River registered Book's gunshot wound not when he was shot, but when Mal realized he'd been shot.

Most of the responces are pretty much along the lines of what I think, but just wanted to say something about this.

Was she registring Books gunshot or Simon's impending kidnapping? Did the two happen at the same time or was it cut like that for drama?

River doesn't mention anything about Book being hurt, seems strange she wouldn't say something if she 'saw' it, even if that something was just a cryptic riddle. I always took it that she saw Simon's kidnapping just before it happened.

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DESKTOPHIPPIE

Tuesday, August 8, 2006 9:47 AM

I think you may be right there citizen. I think it might have been Simon's impending kidnapping she was reacting to. After all, she stops and looks worried, Simon looks worried, then gets kidnapped, and then River stumbles and bumps into people (or they bump into her). It also ties in with the fact that she went to find him, not help Book and the others.

INDIGOSTARBLASTER

Tuesday, August 8, 2006 1:46 PM

I hadn't thought of that... but if River were reacting to Simon's impending kidnapping, why would she later follow in such a playful manner ("Found you!")?

Re: Jayne being more afraid of being in hot water with Mal than being ashamed of stealing -- that makes a lot of sense; no inconsistency there.

Indigo S.

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