Is Serenity's portrayl of the characters true, or Did your Firefly go out?

POSTED BY: chrisisall
UPDATED: Friday, August 4, 2006 20:13
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BROWNCOAT1

Thursday, August 3, 2006 1:29 PM

I am not seeing any real deviation from character on the part of any of the crew. Mal is a bit darker and more brooding, but that is the way he was originally intended to be by Joss before Fox stepped in & said "make Mal funnier". There is also the fact that Inara & Book have left Serenity which causes Mal to be in the mood we see in the BDM.

I agree that the change of medium and Joss need to put as much into the movie as he could may have made things seem different, but I feel the characters were right on target.

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MAVOURNEEN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 2:13 PM

My Firefly didn't go out. My butt's still glowin'!

It's funny, as bouncing in my seat excited as I was in the theater, I was a little shocked at how...ummm...pretty the cast looked on the big screen.
Zoe / Gina Torres looked like she had just stepped out of the hairdresser's in every scene. Her hair was perfect. Her makeup was out of character. She was dressed differently in nearly every scene. In the BDS, we see Zoe change outfits only a handful of times over 14 episodes.
I found her new "improved" look distracting.

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CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:54 PM

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Originally posted by canttakesky:

My only regret was the deleted scene at the end, where Mal says, "What a whiner." Damn, I wish he had kept that in there. It encapsulates Mal--the non-whiner, the guy who bites the bullet and does what he has to do. That was THE perfect ending--would have moved the movie up several notches for me had it ended with that line.

THANK YOU!

We are of one mind here, Canttakesky!
I felt that it did not take away from the seriousness of the scene, and did give us the 'Mal one liner' we got so often in the series. In fact, the line was endearing, as it meant (for me) that Mal was trying to make some light of his talk with the Operative because he felt somewhat uncomfortable seeing more than a little of his old self reflected there.

Psychobabble Chrisisall

CHRISISALL

Thursday, August 3, 2006 6:59 PM

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Originally posted by MRSU:

I think the main reason I don't rewatch it is that Serenity never felt like home in BDM. In the end, when they were rebuilding it and going back on it, it felt like they were hammering themselves into a prison. Never felt like that in the series - because there were all those fun and family moments which really made her home.

To me it was the difference of leaving a house and telling your SO "I love you.", and rushing out quickly and saying "love ya!" Serenity took place in hard times, and home is still home, just a home in transition, IMO.

Love keeps her in the air Chrisisall

CIRHSEIN

Thursday, August 3, 2006 7:46 PM

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Originally posted by MRSU:
And the movie was so sad, in a way. I think the main reason I don't rewatch it is that Serenity never felt like home in BDM. They all just suffered on it, tormented each other or been through some bad events, and it looked cold. In the end, when they were rebuilding it and going back on it, it felt like they were hammering themselves into a prison. Never felt like that in the series - because there were all those fun and family moments which really made her home.

My feelings, exactly. And you hit the nail on the head with Serenity seeming so cold. I don't get a chance to read everything on this site, so forgive me if this has been covered before, but, visually, Serenity is colder in the BDM. I took a bunch of screencaps for a friend to show him the difference, and on the series, her interior is all various shades of brown--nice warm colors. The redesigned interior in the BDM not only has "spacier" architecture, it's all colored in blues and grey--cold colors.

For me, that's a perfect reflection of the difference between the series and the film. Joss talks about "found family," and that's what I loved in the series, watching this motley band of misfits learn to rely on another even when they didn't want to. In the film, it was like a big divorce. The banter between everyone wasn't sharp and witty, it was cold and harsh. I left the movie feeling like the crew of Serenity was not long for the 'verse.

Still, in all, I loved the film. It's a permanant part of FF history now, and I respect Joss' vision. It's just that the BDS made me happy. The BDM made me sad.

EMBERS

Thursday, August 3, 2006 8:22 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Serenity is ...cannon if you will.

yeah..it should be obvious.

the TV show was cut short (again, obvious.)
so Joss was still doing 'set ups' and creating family...
but if the show had continued then Joss WOULD have killed off characters,
we saw that on Buffy & Angel. It is part of what life is all about.

Joss has been quoted as saying that he is never going to be telling the boring story of happy people.

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JAMAICANBATMAN

Friday, August 4, 2006 10:26 AM

thanks Yin Yang, and here's me thinkin im stupid or somethin.

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BROWNCOAT1

Friday, August 4, 2006 1:06 PM

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Originally posted by chrisisall:
Quote:
Originally posted by canttakesky:

My only regret was the deleted scene at the end, where Mal says, "What a whiner." Damn, I wish he had kept that in there. It encapsulates Mal--the non-whiner, the guy who bites the bullet and does what he has to do. That was THE perfect ending--would have moved the movie up several notches for me had it ended with that line.

THANK YOU!

We are of one mind here, Canttakesky!
I felt that it did not take away from the seriousness of the scene, and did give us the 'Mal one liner' we got so often in the series. In fact, the line was endearing, as it meant (for me) that Mal was trying to make some light of his talk with the Operative because he felt somewhat uncomfortable seeing more than a little of his old self reflected there.

I too wish they had kept that scene in the final cut. I think, as you pointed out, that that one line "What a whiner" would have made a big difference. It made the mood lighter at the end of the film, we see a little of the old Mal in that line, and we also get a feeling of Mal's discomfort at the sight of the Operative's despair.

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ODDSBODSKINS

Friday, August 4, 2006 1:15 PM

while it may have given mal's character more, and shown him returning to his old self, to have left that scene in, i think it would have diminished the character of the operative and what he represented. plus, i'm rather fond of a wee bit of drama, and i thought it was an excellent exit for him ^^

MIMA

Friday, August 4, 2006 5:44 PM

so i'll step in it and admit the most jarring moment of the whole movie in characterization was mal's "love speech." my mouth fell open and i was like "whaaaaa?!" mal to me is the "what a whiner" toss off and not the "this ship flies on love when she outta fall down" i was seriously freaked out by that speech after the grim "i will shoot you now" mal. i've gotten used to it, having heard joss' commentary about mal's inner journey, and the fans explaining that speech was for us from joss, not so much from mal to river. mal to me is taciturn, practical, and closed. not that flowery.

i had no problems with grown up tough simon or extra hard mal.

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