What were the independents fighting for?

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CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:01 PM

Okay, that might sound like a stupid question (independence, duh), but had the independents won the war, how would the system of government have worked? Would it be planet-wide governments? Because as I see it, that's just as bad as the Alliance. So what, country wide governments? Settlements?

What were they actually fighting for?

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PHOENIXROSE

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:05 PM

Each planet had their own system of government, which was consolidated under the Alliance after they won the war. The Independents wanted to hold on to their particular laws and customs. The Alliance could have the Core if they wanted it.
The Alliance had a good system; they thought they were doing right. But any government that big is going to become sooooo corupt. And they did. Totalitarianism, when they really just wanted everyone to be treated fairly. Too bad it tends to work that way.

SPACEANJL

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:07 PM

Individual rule by planet, I think. Persephone for the Perps, Boros for the Bores, sorta thing.

There is a Parliament on Londinium that determines the laws etc of the Alliance, and it would seem that a certain number of worlds are represented there. How the economics of individual rule were going to work, who can tell? A large planet with an army was going to find smaller planets to stomp. These are just people, and looking around now, I don't think five hundred years will make a lot of odds.

BOOKSWORD

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:10 PM

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Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Each planet had their own system of government, which was consolidated under the Alliance after they won the war. The Independents wanted to hold on to their particular laws and customs. The Alliance could have the Core if they wanted it.
The Alliance had a good system; they thought they were doing right. But any government that big is going to become sooooo corupt. And they did. Totalitarianism, when they really just wanted everyone to be treated fairly. Too bad it tends to work that way.

Who knows, given some time. Also with the whole Miranda thing the 'good' people of the Core will stop accepting things down for the greater good and make the goverment what it should be all along and not what it is slowly becoming or already is.

BABYWITHTHEPOWER

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 12:26 PM

Quote:
Originally posted by PhoenixRose:
Each planet had their own system of government, which was consolidated under the Alliance after they won the war. The Independents wanted to hold on to their particular laws and customs. The Alliance could have the Core if they wanted it.
The Alliance had a good system; they thought they were doing right. But any government that big is going to become sooooo corupt. And they did. Totalitarianism, when they really just wanted everyone to be treated fairly. Too bad it tends to work that way.

That's what I like about you Phoenix. Before I even have a chance to respond to a thread, you speak my mind for me.

One thing to add though, the only people that benefitted from the Unification (as evidenced by the suffering on many planets and the Alliance's tendancy to ignore them) was the Alliance. Now they get to tax all the planets and force them to adhere to their laws, but they don't do anything to help them. The Independants were fighting for planetary soverignity and individual freedoms, the latter of which is a comodity even in todays society.

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BROWNCOAT1

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 1:53 PM

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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
One thing to add though, the only people that benefitted from the Unification (as evidenced by the suffering on many planets and the Alliance's tendancy to ignore them) was the Alliance. Now they get to tax all the planets and force them to adhere to their laws, but they don't do anything to help them. The Independants were fighting for planetary soverignity and individual freedoms, the latter of which is a comodity even in todays society.

Exactly. The Independents were fighting for the right of self government and freedom from the neglect and unwanted rule of the Alliance. Planetary sovereignty was their right as they saw it, reinforced by the fact that the Alliance did nothing to aid them in their daily struggles as is evidenced in the series and commented on by several characters during the series.

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PURPLEBELLY

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 2:04 PM

Money. It's always the money

PELL

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 2:05 PM

The Alliance fought for belief without concern for reality.

The Independants fight to survive. Plain and simple. Look at Miranda, those folks had no choice...

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YINYANG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 2:11 PM

I almost don't think they knew, exactly. At least, most of the soldiers on the ground didn't. Maybe the generals had an idea, but only Joss can really tell you that. The war, and the fighting, was more about fighting against evil than establishing something else that was good.

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CHRONICTHEHEDGEHOG

Wednesday, August 2, 2006 3:32 PM

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Originally posted by BrownCoat1:
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Originally posted by babywiththepower:
One thing to add though, the only people that benefitted from the Unification (as evidenced by the suffering on many planets and the Alliance's tendancy to ignore them) was the Alliance. Now they get to tax all the planets and force them to adhere to their laws, but they don't do anything to help them. The Independants were fighting for planetary soverignity and individual freedoms, the latter of which is a comodity even in todays society.

Exactly. The Independents were fighting for the right of self government and freedom from the neglect and unwanted rule of the Alliance. Planetary sovereignty was their right as they saw it, reinforced by the fact that the Alliance did nothing to aid them in their daily struggles as is evidenced in the series and commented on by several characters during the series.

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Is it really self government if it's planet wide? International bodies such as the UN have enough trouble coping with the variety of countries as it is, and they're not running the planet. If we moved to a planetary government, there'd be no end of internal conflict. I can understand the independents not wanting to expand that to a universal government, but surely the majority of them wouldn't be happy with planet-wide government either?

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