Anybody ever watch Enterprise?

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LADYJAYNE

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 2:24 AM

One of the many reasons I don't watch teasers. Thank the gods for Replay TV! No commercials!

--Kala

STEVE580

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 8:00 AM

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Originally posted by ladyjayne:
One of the many reasons I don't watch teasers. Thank the gods for Replay TV! No commercials!

--Kala

Nah man, Tivo is where it's at.

SQUEE

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 9:24 AM

I like star trek in general, but I couldn't get into Enterprise. the characters sucked.

as for the other shows... I discovered Next Generation when I was young, and liked it cuz it was sci fi. but as I got older, I realized that they were all just a bunch of old fudy dudies, and that Riker made me want to throw up.

Then I discovered Voyager, which in my opinion is much better than TNG, so I fell in love with it. I liked the trying to get home thing, thought they did a good job with the bad guys (ie Seska, the Nistrim and the borg) BUT I never saw the last 2 seasons... maybe a couple episodes. and from what I've heard about the end, its not worth seeing.

Anyway, then last summer, Voyager stopped playing and out of desperation for something Sci fi to watch, I tried gettign into DS9. its the best. the characters are very real and developed. I followed most of the first season all the way through the war, which made for an interesting plot... and then they killed Jedzia (probably spelled wrong) I wanted to shoot the TV. actually, I didn't care about Jedzia as much as I cared about Worf. As far as start trek love relationships go, I thought theirs was by far the best- and then they go and kill her. The new Dax was a complete flop, so was Du Kat's character after he lost it and then I lost interest.

So I have very mixed feelings about star trek. I guess I stopped watching all of them before they when too far down hill so I still think well of them. but I have to agree that they definately could use some better writers. a good show shouldn't go down hill and Enterprise just pulled them down even further.

BUT FIREFLY IS GREAT! and it was canceled... whats up with that? the sucky show plays for seasons and the good one gets squat.
Well, keep flying all

When you can't run, you crawl, and when you can't crawl, you find someone to carry you.

TALONPEST

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:23 AM

Rant on Enterprise:

First and foremost, they completely wreck Trek continuity. Rick Berman's name shows up as executive producer on the episode of TNG when Picard says that first contact with the Klingon Empire led to war between the Klingons and the Federation, so you'd think he'd respect that as fact. But no- very first episode is about first contact with the Klingons, and no war is started- in fact, the Federation hasn't even been formed yet, so they shouldn't have met yet. At this point, according to the episode of TOS that introduced the Romulans, Eath and Romulus should be at war, fighting with lasers and nukes- but there's only been one episode with the Romulans (that I know of- I've pretty much given up on watching anymore).

Which brings me to my next point- the technology is waaaaay off for what they should have at that time. They should be working with a cross between present day technology and Kirk-era equipment. They could really have brought back some of the sense that they were exploring space in a rickety and somewhat dangerous spaceship. But no. The ship is every bit as comfortable looking as Kirk's Enterprise, and only marginally less so than the Enterprise D, in that it has no holodeck. They still go to warp at the push of a button, have no communication delays with Earth, and they have transporters (although they are reluctant to use them, it didn't stop them from using it in the pilot). Oh, and then there's the re-named technology that is effectively identical to the stuff from the other shows. They don't raise shields, they polorize the hull plating. They don't have phasers and photon torpedos, they have "phase cannons" and "photonic torpedos." And all the technology they don't have they've seen other races use- cloaking devices, tractor beams, shields, even holodecks. And this is supposed to be 100 years before Kirk?

And of course there's the ship itself. It looks nothing at all like a ship from that era should, according to everything we've seen in the other shows. It is in fact a blatent ripoff of the Akira class, the only difference being a few tweaks like having the warp engines jutting upward instead of down, and changing the style of the hull plating. Zero points for originality or creativity.

And then they bring in all the people they shouldn't, like the Borg (yeah, I know they're from First Contact, but go back and look at the exploding sphere and see if you think anything could have survived that and then atmospheric reentry) and the Ferengi (yes, I know they didn't mention the name of the species, it was still stupid).

Oh, and I HATE the way the Vulcans are done on the show. They obviously didn't pay any attention to how Leonard Nimoy or Mark Leonard played Vulcans, or they wouldn't have them getting angry and pissy all the time. They're portrayed like stuck up children rather than a race who've devoted themselves to logic for millenia.

I won't even go into the characters other than to say they're shallow and derrivative and that T'Pol's catsuit reduces her to the status of worthless space bimbo.

Goddammit I want Firefly back.

PANIC

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:09 AM

I have mixed feelings about Enterprise. I love Firefly.

Farsacpe, however, gets my vote for best science fiction series ever produced. No other series can match it for orinality, depth of characterization, evolution of story arc, and overall sense of wonder. Firefly might have been a contender, but alas it seems we'll never know.

Bag on all the other sci-fi you like, but don't mess with Farscape.

DRAKON

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:46 AM

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Actually, I saw that ep...and they did give the alien species the cure. Perhaps what you're referring to is when the doctor kept a tiny strain of the disease, and put it away in storage, to allow the other alien race to survive in some form.

My recollection may not be perfect. I do not recall them giving the cure. I remember Archer agreeing with the doctor, and refusing the cure, but allowing such medicine that would ease the suffering as the folks were dying.

I still would have spaced the doctor for even seriously considering refusing to save a patient. Would never trust him with my crew ever again, that is for sure.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

DRAKON

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 12:35 PM

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But again, still in keeping with Star Trek tradition - taking current headlines and placing them in a futuristic setting.

No, no. I must disagree. Enterprise does not so much keep with ST tradition as much as it strictly adhere's to ST FORMULA. Plots are predictable, character actions are predictable, heck, the *dialogue* is even predictable. I really hate being able to say the line before the character says it. It's just bad writing when your audience can predict on that level.
--Kala

Hmm... this gets into what makes good television versus what makes good science fiction.

Especially during the Cold war, science fiction was pretty much dismissed by the old soviet authorities. Which allowed writers to talk about the failings in the Soviet system without drawing undue attention.

To me, science fiction is best when it explores the potential benefits and flaws inherent in new technology. Gataca and Brain Storm are pure, real science fiction, of the old John Campbell school.

Firefly, well... marginally so. It is more space opera than science fiction. The deal is not the exploration of technology, or man's place in the world, but how people interact in a world. Whether it is the American West, or some terriformed planet, fantasy Europe, or what have you, if it just a good story, then it just opera, or fiction, not necessarily what I would qualify as scifi.

Sometimes you just want a good heroic story. Sometimes you want to think about what's ahead, work out potential pitfalls before you are up to your ass in alligators. Sometimes, you get both.

"Wash, where is my damn spaceship?"

FRV

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 1:10 PM

Well, I have to agree with those ranting about Enterprise - from the non-continuity to B&B (who are indeed ruining the show.) I get the feeling they think they could have done it better from the gitgo and they tried with DS9 - generating a law suit with B5 for various reasons - and Voyager, which I enjoyed since they got back to EXPLORING at least.

The second thing, a cultural thing, is that all the new STs miss the joy of life from the original - which is what sets it apart from the others. Those were the days when humans (and others) weren't know-it-alls with THE solution to everything. Ah, where are the Organians when you need them?

Firefly was born, in part, as a response to what the ST franchise had become.

Farscape - don't pick on Farscape - it was good fun with a good cast and a pleasure to watch.

BTW - on the Trek boards there is talk that UPN is thinking of canning Enterprise - either end of this season or end of next. (End of next will give it 100 episodes and useable for syndication - since there is so little SF on TV these days, I hope that is the case.)

WEGG

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:19 PM

Took my wife and I a few weeks to get through the DVDs. Enjoyed every second of it. Then we went back to Enterprise. Boy what a jolt. So sterile. All this "edge of science" technobabble. . . a gabillion alien races whose only difference being the type of 3rd degree burn scars on their forheads and noses. And the stories. . . Oh man.

This new season has hints of interest. With the Xindi and the big ole spheres from an ancient race. But then they feel like they have to go back to their "roots" and throw in episodes with time travel back to earth. . . or just happen to find a planet full of cowyboys. . . Didn't Captain Kirk do all this before?

Please please please bring back Firefly.

Is Angel any good? I try and bring myself around to watching it but. . . Vampires? Devels? It looks so. . . goofy.

LADYJAYNE

Wednesday, January 21, 2004 11:41 PM

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I followed most of the first season all the way through the war, which made for an interesting plot... and then they killed Jedzia (probably spelled wrong) I wanted to shoot the TV. actually, I didn't care about Jedzia as much as I cared about Worf. As far as start trek love relationships go, I thought theirs was by far the best- and then they go and kill her.

Yep. Typical Trek writer fear of commitment thang goin' on there. The only reason the allowed Worf & Dax to marry in the first place was because Terry Ferrel said she was leaving the show. What a crock.

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Hmm... this gets into what makes good television versus what makes good science fiction. To me, science fiction is best when it explores the potential benefits and flaws inherent in new technology. Gataca and Brain Storm are pure, real science fiction, of the old John Campbell school.

I am in complete agreement with you on your definition of sf. Good sf generally doesn't make very good television. Sometimes it can make a good movie (MINORITY REPORT leaps to mind...) but rarely good TV.

Now space opera, which I also love, makes GREAT television when written well. I have never considered Trek or Firefly to be science fiction. It's space opera. Humans in space. That's all space opera has to be. It doesn't make it better or worse a genre, just different. I happen to enjoy both.

--Kala

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