Mel Gibson staggers off the wagon
POSTED BY: citizen
UPDATED: Saturday, January 11, 2025 16:25
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Sorry Calhoun, PDCharles, I'm not buyin'. If Mel had never gotten himself in trouble for antisemitism over and over again when he was ostensibly sober, I might give him the benefit of the doubt here. But there's little doubt that he, like many fundy Christians believes the Jews killed Christ, etc. You saw his last movie, didn't ya?
Given that his dad was/is a committed hardcore antisemite, you might have a case that the booze just inspired Mel to get a little of his crazy dad out of him--BUT if we have crazy dads with crazy oppinions of which we are ashamed and from which we naturally want to distance ourselves, we don't make multi-million dollar movies that are even remotely sympathetic to our crazy dad's agendas, do we?
HKCavalier
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Oh... I definitely believe he is a fundy nut job. Saw an interview with him. Weird. Kinda like Tom Cruise or Deion Sanders these days.
Just slipped too quickly into joke mode. …and no, didn't see the flick.
replace "Word" with, let's see... ahhh... "Yeah Right"
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Originally posted by DesktopHippie:
As for choosing to become an alcoholic, I'm of the camp that sees it as a disease, not something people choose.
"Alcoholism is a disease, but it's the only disease you can get yelled at for having. 'Dammit, Otto, you are an alcoholic.' 'Dammit, Otto, you have lupus.' One of those two doesn't sound right." - Mitch Hedberg
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
But.. you cant really take anything said by a drunk as gospel..
I am not an alcoholic but on the times i have drank too much I said some stupid things which I really didnt believe. My point is I dont think Mel is neccessarily anti-jew or whatever... he was just drunk.
Sorry. In Vino Veritas; alcohol lowers inhibitions, but it doesn't manufacture feelings or desires. "It was the booze talking" translates to "Sorry, I deliberately disabled my governor unit and said things I really feel outloud. Oops."
I long ago came to the conclusion that Gibson is a religious bigot, of the type that likes to wrap his prejudices in a cloak of piety.
I was particularly disgusted by the way he claimed "accuracy to the gospels" as his protection for the anti-semitic content in "The Passion of The Christ", but yet was perfectly willing to be inaccurate to the gospels whenever it suited his purpose.
Just one example; the Bible says Jesus received thirty-nine lashes, which was the legal limit (Forty lashes was considered a death sentence, which the Romans forbade the Hebrews to impose--which is the very reason the Samhedrin turned to Roman authority to sentence Jesus in the first place), yet the movie clearly shows the torturer not only restarting his count, but using a scourge instead of a plain whip--again, something not based in biblical scholarship. But a plain whipping just wasn't, I don't know, cinematic enough for our auteur.
When someone decides that an "ordinary" whipping and crucifixion isn't nasty enough, and that he has to ramp it up, you know something is wrong with him...
"Oh, the Catholics/Hate the Protestants/and the Protestants/Hate the Catholics/and the Hindus/Hate the Moslems/and everybody hates the Jews." -- Tom Lehrer
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Originally posted by Calhoun:
But.. you cant really take anything said by a drunk as gospel.
That's too funny!! Did you mean that to be funny? All respect to serious things under discussion, and, hee hee!
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Quote:Thanks for the info. I didn't know about the whipping. Never saw the movie. I love the other Mel Gibson movies. But I just can't bring myself to see a dramatized snuff film.
Originally posted by RocketJock:
When someone decides that an "ordinary" whipping and crucifixion isn't nasty enough, and that he has to ramp it up, you know something is wrong with him...
I don't know Mel Gibson, and really, I don't care. I watch a lot of other movies by directors without caring to know their secret pecadillos and prejudices. I watch Woody Allen movies, and he married his stepdaughter. I don't think Mel can outdo that.
So...next time Mel puts out a movie that looks interesting, I'll be there. And I'll judge the movie on its merits, regardless of what Mel said when he was drunk.
As an afterthought, if Mel had said "Americans" or "Arabs" or "Chinese" instead of "Jews," would anybody make such a big deal out of it? To me, it is obvious that society is in itself racist in treating some racism as more serious than others.
Can't Take My Gorram Sky
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I'm sorry, but what is this thread really about? Is it about Mel Gibson? Or is it about racism? Is it about celebrity culture? Or, is it about the evils of drunken driving? Or, is it about a discussion of acoholisim as a disease, or the merits of prohibition? I'm in no way slagging Citizen, oh no. On the contrary, likely dimming my own intellectual abilities, while saying, "great seed for discussion!" I'm just wondering what we're aiming at discussing here.
Pity the fool, me, for not understanding.
Something tells me that it all adds up to wondering about those who choose to be weak. My opinion on the matter is that those who choose {insert drug of choice} are somehow giving up on themselves to some degree, and that just hurts me, in each and every case. As much as it hurts, though, I still see such crutches as pitiful excuses.
Then again, all I've ever given up is tobacco, so whadda I know, eh?
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For a guy that once played Hamlet, its surprising that Gibson couldn't think of something more contemplative to say to the arresting officers. Ha ha.
I guess it was a case of one blind celebrity's contumely.
voshExeter
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This was happening right as I was leaving town. Now that I'm back, it appears the conversation has moved off the front page. Oh well. I'll just quickly add my two cents.
If some anonymous person had been pulled over for suspicion of driving under the influence and did and said everything Mel Gibson did and said the question would not be about the nature of the statements but rather when that person would be getting out of the hospital and how long they would be staying in jail afterwards.
He's lucky he didn't hurt anyone. He's lucky there are people who will apologize for him. But most of all he's lucky he didn't get beat down for resisting arrest.
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I would be worked up about whatever group a person broadly addressed and substituted for "jew"--no matter what it was--in a similar statement.
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